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Chicago was never a great band, never once, never for a minute, ever, ever, ever.
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04-14-2005 13:50 |
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'cept for that 25 or 6 to 4 song...... 
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Originally posted by Aqua Green Toupee
Chicago was never a great band, never once, never for a minute, ever, ever, ever. |
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04-14-2005 14:37 |
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jiminy
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Originally posted by Aqua Green Toupee
Chicago was never a great band, never once, never for a minute, ever, ever, ever. |
you young pup.
you know nothing of the "return of the horn" era
Chicago
Blood Sweat and Tears
etc
these bands helped us remember you can rock outside of the six strings.
I agree, maybe not a "great band"
- but you could smoke dope to em.
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04-15-2005 10:45 |
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in defense of bootlegging:
It is disappointing that more releases aren't available in the webstore. I understand the financial implications and cashflow situation, but the facts are the facts.
I am totally ignorant of the whole iPod/song download thang - but the Choir's doing it and DA webstore should seriously consider it for whatever won't be back in print soon - or be willing to live with a perhaps uncomfortable level of bootlegging.
Most fans have good intentions and just try to make the best of the overall situation.
In defense of webstore and/or management and/or jeffrey k:
DAmb, it has to be frustrating with "leaks". I do truly and sincerely appreciate all you have done for the bands.
maybe this is pertinent?
There's a hole in my Bucket
There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza
There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, a hole
Then mend it, dear Goofy, dear Goofy, dear Goofy
Then mend it, dear Goofy, dear Goofy, then mend it
With what shall I mend it, dear Liza, dear Liza?
With what shall I mend it, dear Liza, with what?
With some straw, dear Goofy, dear Goofy, dear Goofy
With some straw, dear Goofy, dear Goofy, some straw
The straw is too long, dear Liza, dear Liza
The straw is too long, dear Liza, too long
Then cut it, dear Goofy, dear Goofy, dear Goofy
Then cut it, dear Goofy, dear Goofy, then cut it
With what shall I cut it, dear Liza, dear Liza?
With what shall I cut it, dear Liza, with what?
With a knife, dear Goofy, dear Goofy, dear Goofy
With a knife, dear Goofy, dear Goofy, with a knife
The knife is too dull, dear Liza, dear Liza
The knife is too dull, dear Liza, too dull
Then sharpen it, dear Goofy, dear Goofy, dear Goofy
Then sharpen it, dear Goofy, dear Goofy, sharpen it
With what shall I sharpen it, dear Liza, dear Liza?
With what shall I sharpen it, dear Liza, with what?
With a stone, dear Goofy, dear goofy, dear Goofy
With a stone, dear Goofy, dear Goofy, with a stone
The stone is too dry, dear Liza, dear Liza
The stone is too dry, dear Liza, too dry
Then wet it, dear Goofy, dear Goofy, dear Goofy
Then wet it, dear Goofy, dear Goofy, then wet it
With what shall I wet it, dear Liza, dear Liza?
With what shall I wet it, dear Liza, with what?
With water, dear Goofy, dear Goofy, dear Goofy
With water, dear Goofy, dear Goofy, with water
In what shall I get it, dear Liza, dear Liza?
In what shall I get it, dear Liza, in what?
In a bucket dear Goofy, dear Goofy, dear Goofy
In a bucket dear Goofy, dear Goofy, in a bucket
There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza
There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, a hole
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04-15-2005 12:43 |
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Some of the issue about what is available, through ipod or any
other way is that you have to own the rights to make it available
that way. The market for some of this music is only so big, I
personally find it difficlt to put my own money up to manufacture
a CD of material that is already out there. Which is exactly why
the bonus material is worth so much. It helps generate sales.
Sales that are desperately needed to fund other releases.
The live tapes and things like that that are traded don't really affect
much. If its stuff that has no release value.
To give an example, the Anahiem DVD again, we only printed 1000
copies. It cost us personally quite a bit to print it. We put that money
into that release hoping to send Terry money to fund new projects.
We knew there were a few poor quality tapes floating around, but
what we had was the masters to work from which help make the
release even attractive to those that had the poorer quality VHS copies.
So I didn't mind sinking a few thousand dollars into it. We could guess
at selling 300-400 copies the first few weeks and send Terry a few
thousand and make our money back.
The person that 'leaked' the tape, did so just a month before ours was
finished manufacturing. The people he leaked it to were told it was
ok to trade it. Now when the customer base for that release is only
a few hundred, the damage of even 20-30 copies being bad would be felt.
Especially when you figure just like the old commercial, they make 2 copies,
and they make 2 copies, and they make 2 copies, and so on.
The bigger releases such as a new album sell much more than something
like this but they cost a lot more to make. So releases such as the ones
we put out like the anahiem DVD are needed.
The dynamics of the whole situation is what makes the thing frustrating.
You don't want to put months to a year of work on something, thousands
of dollars into it, hoping to generate money....then find out oh, everyone
already has a copy of that. That is like a sucker punch to the gut.
I'm thankful that like at least with Buechners DVD, nobody has a copy
except the band. The surprise of the release is still valuable. It most likely
will sell more copies than the Anahiem DVD.....which Terry then can
use the funds generated to create something new for all of us.
We just hope everyone understands our spirit in this.
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04-15-2005 23:01 |
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Originally posted by joey
'cept for that 25 or 6 to 4 song......
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See! Joey knows! Their rockin' songs kicked ass! 
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04-15-2005 23:10 |
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jiminy
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well colour my friggin world.....
they never were great!
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04-16-2005 19:03 |
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04-18-2005 09:45 |
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Audiori J
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We are going to be building the menu screen this week,
thats about all thats left on the DVD unless any of the band
has any changes. We do have to create the little video
that displays durring the "Nowhere Is Someplace" song,
but that should take maybe an hour.
We really hope to have this one ready to send off very, very soon.
Can't wait to hear the critical reviews. 
Nah, basically the whole thing is just an arrangemet of the
best footage they shot. We think it works pretty well, some
fun stuff to watch, a couple full songs from te rehearsals at Ed's
that are pretty cool. Many chunks of songs being worked on in
the Green Room. Tim, and Tom did capture some really cool
moments. Man we can't wait to start sendng this one out to
people. Its pretty fun.
We tried to have a good balance between the raw documentary
footage and the arrranged material. On one hand, it would be easy
to make a short flashy commercial for the album. On the other hand
it wold be easy to make a very long dry film of the guys tediously
working. Nobdoy wants either one. So we tried to arrange it as
such to where you get the 'documentary making of' footage
broken up with the interviews, skits, songs, and arranged material.
To keep the flow moving and make the whole thing enjoyable
and still 'informational.'
Anyway, hopefully very soon.
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04-19-2005 07:16 |
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mike
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Anyway, hopefully very soon. |
Great, can't wait for the summer or '04 release date!!
jk
Can't wait to get it.
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04-19-2005 08:29 |
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Oooooooo, I can hardly wait.
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04-19-2005 15:41 |
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eddie p
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Originally posted by Aqua Green Toupee
Chicago was never a great band, never once, never for a minute, ever, ever, ever. |
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I am gonna have to agree with the doctor on this one boys.
I'm gonna go ahead and say that yes you are both full of grey poop'on. And I'll go further and say that even Jiminy of all people has a bit of grey poop'on smeared on his little cricket nose.
Don't worry the doctor is in boys. Dr. P, that's me.
First of all you wanna have plenty of Q-tips handy cause I got a feeling those ears are full of grey poop'on and they're gonna need some cleaning so you all can hear properly.
Next.
Go out and buy the first Chicago's Greatest Hits album from 1975, on cd.
Put it in your cd player and while wearing a good set of earphones put it up at top volume as much as your ears can take it.
Day One:
Listen to 25 or 6 to 4.
Listen to it all the way through then go back to the guitar solo.
Put the solo on repeat for about a good 200 times straight through. Then when you go to bed wear the headphones the whole night and as you sleep the song will be playing to your sub-conscious.
Day Two:
Select the song Make Me Smile. Study the rhythms and the drums. And the drum solo at the end of the song. Put the drum solo on repeat and do as you did on Day One.
Day Three:
I think at this stage you wanna go ahead and make sure theirs no grey poop'on done crept up in your ears while you haven't had the headphones on.
Now you're ready for the hallmark of the classic Chicago sound, the horns.
On Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is they shine. As does Peter Cetera's bass playing. When Peter Cetera was a bass player in a band and sang some of the songs that was nice. He was a strong bass player indeed and a vital asset to the band in a good way. In the seventies, that is.
Day Four:
This day will be Piano Day. Acoustic piano and Electric Piano. Robert Lamm wrote and sang loads of Chicago's songs and was a crucial asset in the early Chicago sound. His piano playing ability feature heavily in the songs, Saturday In The Park, Feeling Stronger Everyday, and Colour My World. Once again Peter Cetera's bass playing is superb and groovy on Saturday.
Day Five:
This day just have the entire cd playing all day long in the backgroung as you meditate. Let your mantra be. Chicago had some of the most original, catchy melodies in rock and pop music from 1969 to 1976.
Day Six:
This day light some sandlewood incense, while the cd plays in the background and meditate once again. This time your mantra will be:
Chicago had a kickass horn section
Chicago had a kickass rhythm section
Day Seven:
This is the last day so you want to once again check for grey poop'on.
This day, as the cd plays, in the background, incense lit, no grey poop'on in sight, notice there are different voices on the cd. When you notice this start to chant.
Chicago had five lead singers and they all sounded different and exciting.
That's my seven step program that should cure you of this malady.
I must say at this point that I lost interest in Chicago somewhere in the early 80's. Their signature sound lost to money I presume.That being said I'll say that from 1969-1976 Chicago was a great band.No grey poop'on intended.
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04-19-2005 16:06 |
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Thank you for eloquently saying what I had been thinking.
Early Chicago (1st 7 albums) ROCKED! 80's Chicago was necessary for all of those Jr. High slow-dances - but they weren't the same Chicago.
After you guys purcahse and listen to the first greatest hits album - Go back and wisely invest in the first 7 full albums (the fourth is a live album and is optional). Chicago's best music never made it to radio.
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eddie p
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04-19-2005 18:16 |
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eddie p
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Oh yeah. I can't wait for the MBD dvd also.
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04-19-2005 18:26 |
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04-20-2005 07:12 |
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jiminy
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Eddie- why did you put me in the grey-poopon group???
I NEVER credited anything they did beyond say 71..
yer the lil mess that pushed the boundry to Saturday in the Park....
Next up????
Black Sabbath.
How many cheers?????
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jiminy
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btw--yre one funny Pedro there Ed..
and I cant wait til the BDDVD either also as well until when..
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