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I'll admit that I've had a contentious, quixotic opinion of this movie as a trend, not the mission statement it obviously is and meant to be... But talk about resonating in the culture!
After a couple weeks out of the top five, the movie bounds back on Easter weekend, spoiling things for "The Alamo" and the sleazy sex fantasy "The Girl Next Door"... I'm heartened to think that, in light of a bad economy and the shadow of prolonged war and bloodshed, people are expressing a hunger for the story of Jesus.
Like the movie or don't, this is a real sign that people desire a more tangible understanding of the life of Christ.
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DW,
Did you already receive Marbles? I see you keep posting the picture. The mail should be here within an hour or so. I hope mine is here today. I know they've all been shipped. I usually get Marillion merchandise fairly quickly. I can't wait!
Mark
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I just checked the mail. Marbles didn't come today. 
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I finally saw it (on GooD friday) & really thought it was a well done movie
... at least the parts I saw,
I had to sit in the front row 
it was hard to see & read everything...
overall I am glad this movie was made & that it is doing well.
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I had to scour my paperwork to find my order # and tracking # for it, just for the security of knowing IF it doesn't show, I have a leg to stand on...
See, folks? I'm not obsessive for just DA music. I'm obsessive about EVERYTHING!
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Well, not everyone in the UK has received Marbles either. On the Marillion Message Board, there is a post from the Moderators that they are sorry that everyone does not have their CD's yet which may mean they don't get them a full month before the official release. They go on to explain about the delays.
Also, check your discs when you get them. A few people have had problems with skipping and someone had some kind of "glue" on the discs. Another person had the book arrive, but no CD's. It sounds like they've had some production problems.
They were speculating that those in the U.S. should start getting theirs between Wednesday and Saturday of this week.
Hopefully it will arrive to my house today or tomorrow.
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Ah, well, I haven't seen The Passion yet...
I probably will see it, but I have no particular sense that it will inform my impression of what happened at the Cross.
I understand the Catholic perspectives that have been given here, familarity with the contemplation of the Passion of Christ makes sense from that point of view. As an Orthodox Christian we spend Holy Week (Mon through Good Friday) thinking about the Passion. But we always look at the passion through the eyes of the Resurrection.
The Cross is a triumph, not a defeat.
The Cross is where Christ "Glorifies Himself" (as it says several places in the Scriptures.)
But from an artistic standpoint, I can understand taking a look at The Passion - all by itself. So, I don't mind if they fail to really mention the Resurrection. That's Mel's artistic liberty. He said what he wanted to say with the movie. I generally like Mel's movies. He has great things to say through them.
It just isn't the historic practice of the ancient Church to concentrate on the Cross as an individual event in isolation from all the rest of the work of Christ. For theological reasons, for pedagogical reasons, for inspirational reasons, etc. the Cross is always looked at "throught he eyes of the Resurrection"
Regards!
Coffee Man
"Christ is Risen!
Indeed He is Risen!"
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Catholic do not look at the Cross as a defeat.
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"played out on the pages of history
dripping in blood that flows from a tree
where the Father and Son part company
come back together for you and me
i don't know why you did it what was your motivation
crucifixion's not a cool sensation
You had something to say and You started to speak
the cross was a place for Your coronation speech"
words by Bill Mallonee
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Originally posted by Kaf-N-8ed
Ah, well, I haven't seen The Passion yet...
I probably will see it, but I have no particular sense that it will inform my impression of what happened at the Cross.
I understand the Catholic perspectives that have been given here, familarity with the contemplation of the Passion of Christ makes sense from that point of view. As an Orthodox Christian we spend Holy Week (Mon through Good Friday) thinking about the Passion. But we always look at the passion through the eyes of the Resurrection.
The Cross is a triumph, not a defeat.
The Cross is where Christ "Glorifies Himself" (as it says several places in the Scriptures.)
But from an artistic standpoint, I can understand taking a look at The Passion - all by itself. So, I don't mind if they fail to really mention the Resurrection. That's Mel's artistic liberty. He said what he wanted to say with the movie. I generally like Mel's movies. He has great things to say through them.
It just isn't the historic practice of the ancient Church to concentrate on the Cross as an individual event in isolation from all the rest of the work of Christ. For theological reasons, for pedagogical reasons, for inspirational reasons, etc. the Cross is always looked at "throught he eyes of the Resurrection"
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At least he shows the Ressurection at the very end, although its very brief.
I bought the soundtrack last night for my wife. Very deep and meditative music. No lyrics, just the music from some scenes in the movie.
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Oh what the heck. I might as well pose all the lyrics.
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Uh, Mark...
I don't think we want to see you posE the lyrics! 
couldn't resist! 
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Originally posted by You Gotta Be There
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Originally posted by Kaf-N-8ed
Ah, well, I haven't seen The Passion yet...
I probably will see it, but I have no particular sense that it will inform my impression of what happened at the Cross.
I understand the Catholic perspectives that have been given here, familarity with the contemplation of the Passion of Christ makes sense from that point of view. As an Orthodox Christian we spend Holy Week (Mon through Good Friday) thinking about the Passion. But we always look at the passion through the eyes of the Resurrection.
The Cross is a triumph, not a defeat.
The Cross is where Christ "Glorifies Himself" (as it says several places in the Scriptures.)
But from an artistic standpoint, I can understand taking a look at The Passion - all by itself. So, I don't mind if they fail to really mention the Resurrection. That's Mel's artistic liberty. He said what he wanted to say with the movie. I generally like Mel's movies. He has great things to say through them.
It just isn't the historic practice of the ancient Church to concentrate on the Cross as an individual event in isolation from all the rest of the work of Christ. For theological reasons, for pedagogical reasons, for inspirational reasons, etc. the Cross is always looked at "throught he eyes of the Resurrection"
Regards!
Coffee Man
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At least he shows the Ressurection at the very end, although its very brief.
I bought the soundtrack last night for my wife. Very deep and meditative music. No lyrics, just the music from some scenes in the movie.
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in Bach's St. Matthew Passion, one of the greatest works of art of all time, i don't believe that there is even a hint of Christ rising?
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Oh what the heck. I might as well pose all the lyrics.
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Uh, Mark...
I don't think we want to see you posE the lyrics!
couldn't resist!
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Why whatever are you talking about? Re-read it again above. I wrote "post the lyrics". I have no idea what you are talking about. 
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Originally posted by Kaf-N-8ed
Ah, well, I haven't seen The Passion yet...
I probably will see it, but I have no particular sense that it will inform my impression of what happened at the Cross.
I understand the Catholic perspectives that have been given here, familarity with the contemplation of the Passion of Christ makes sense from that point of view. As an Orthodox Christian we spend Holy Week (Mon through Good Friday) thinking about the Passion. But we always look at the passion through the eyes of the Resurrection.
The Cross is a triumph, not a defeat.
The Cross is where Christ "Glorifies Himself" (as it says several places in the Scriptures.)
But from an artistic standpoint, I can understand taking a look at The Passion - all by itself. So, I don't mind if they fail to really mention the Resurrection. That's Mel's artistic liberty. He said what he wanted to say with the movie. I generally like Mel's movies. He has great things to say through them.
It just isn't the historic practice of the ancient Church to concentrate on the Cross as an individual event in isolation from all the rest of the work of Christ. For theological reasons, for pedagogical reasons, for inspirational reasons, etc. the Cross is always looked at "throught he eyes of the Resurrection"
Regards!
Coffee Man
"Christ is Risen!
Indeed He is Risen!" |
At least he shows the Ressurection at the very end, although its very brief.
I bought the soundtrack last night for my wife. Very deep and meditative music. No lyrics, just the music from some scenes in the movie.
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in Bach's St. Matthew Passion, one of the greatest works of art of all time, i don't believe that there is even a hint of Christ rising? |
I'll have to check that out sometime.
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Kaf-N-8ed
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Catholic do not look at the Cross as a defeat. |
Oh my - I certainly didn't mean to imply I think that.
Just mentioning that there's a different emphasis from the Orthodox perspective. For one thing, other than icons of the Crucifixion itself, Orthodox depictions of the Cross don't have Jesus hanging on it. We don't use the crucifix, for example, except in Orthodox Churches that were heavily enfluenced by Rome - example, the Orthodox in Romania.
We tend to look at the Cross and Resurrection together as a single cosmolotical event in all that God has accomplished to save us.
But, from the theological perspective, what did Jesus mean when He said:
"If I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto myself." We know He was talking about the Cross - but what drew men to Himself?
Was it the horror of crucifixion? Not a chance, people were crucified every day in the Roman empire, with no more passing interest than you'd show a hotdog stand.
There was something very powerful in Christ's giving himself up to crucifixion like that: the earth shook, the sky turned black, it even says that the graves shook in the cemetaries, and that the dead were resurrected and roamed around Jerusalem until after Christ Rose on the third day. (Think zombies here folks...)
It wasn't the horror of getting beaten and whipped and bleeding all over everybody that made people take notice.
By the way, as I say I haven't seen the movie yet, but if Mel did that (blood flying everywhere like you say), it makes a very powerful message - very symbolic, and no doubt intentional on his part.
Regards,
Kaf
P.S. By the way, I don't plan to take my kid (only 7) and I don't plan to take my wife (would probably shake her up too much.)
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in Bach's St. Matthew Passion, one of the greatest works of art of all time, i don't believe that there is even a hint of Christ rising? |
Cool, I'd really like to hear it some time.
I found out why I never heard of Bach's St. Matthew Passion until this year. The work was lost for centuries and only recently discovered. That's why everybody is suddenly performing it.
Regards,
Kaf
P.S. I can't wait until we find (burried somewhere in the South?) the lost works of Daniel Amos!
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i'm with you on the can't wait!
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Maybe they are in my attic!
I live in the South.
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QUENTIN TARANTINO: I loved it. I'll tell you why. I think it actually is one of the most brilliant visual storytelling movies I've seen since the talkies -- as far as telling a story via pictures. So much so that when I was watching this movie, I turned to a friend and said, "This is such a Herculean leap of Mel Gibson's talent. I think divine intervention might be part of it." I cannot believe that Mel Gibson directed it. Not personally Mel Gibson -- I mean, Braveheart was great. I mean, I can't believe any actor made that movie. This is like the most visual movie by an actor since Charles Laughton made The Night of the Hunter. No, this is 15 times more visual than that. It has the power of a silent movie. And I was amazed by the fact that it was able to mix all these different tones. At first, this is going to be the most realistic version of the Jesus story -- you have to decipher the Latin and Aramaic. then it throws that away at a certain point and gives you this grandiose religious image. Godnada, that's good
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