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Oh, and include bonus tracks since that was the original question (I think) but put anything you would have in liner notes on the web site. |
for DFBB, one can only download CD1 tracks - no artwork (booklet) and no extras. overall the download should be cheaper than the physical version.
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Yes, its unlikely that everything included in the deluxe editions would ever be available for download. Nothing would be done to diminish the value of the Deluxe Editions. If you make a less expensive alternative, its going to be bare-bones.. just for the folks that have to have the album but don't care about all of the bells and whistles.
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Yeah thats kind of the point I was trying to make. To please everyone you have to do a million different things. Some people want mp3s, not the majority, some people want the CDs.. they are the majority. Some people want the bonus tracks and special artwork, some people don't care about that. Some people are willing to wait for the special editions, and some people aren't. So on and so on. There is no one answer that pleases everyone. And when you are trying to make enough money to keep the band making music, you have to at some point say.. I can't please everyone but I have to please as many as I can.
If we make a special edition of an album on CD, and a bare bones edition and a download of the same thing.. we don't expect everyone to buy all three, they are basically intended to please different groups. We will most liekly support the ones that are the most successful, so if one of these options really doesn't bring in any money.. then taht option might be dropped if its an expense.
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My only qualm with all this is that by offering three different versions, aren't you splitting the budget three ways and, invariably, making reissues more expensive to start up?
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Not if it was worth it and there was an audience that wanted it... the biggest expense is just in obtaining the rights and in the production. Once its done, its not too difficult to keep it in print. The Deluxe Editions are somewhat expensive to keep around - partly why DA30th is out of stock at the moment... it would be very easy however to print a single disc, scaled back version.
Its just not that clear that there would be a demand for it.... if theres no demand for it, then it would be a waste of money. And of course, we'd rather just have the regular Deluxe Editions. It was just something that came up not long ago and I've been curious about.
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Just my 2¢ for whatever it's worth:
I am a physical copy kind of a guy, but I do enjoy my MP3s so I can dump a bunch of music on a flash drive and listen to it at work. I value my collection of "evil" five inch CDs. Yes, I do buy a lot of digital tracks, but like another poster said then you have to worry about the expense of backing it up. And I like to back things up at least twice, not once.
Most of what I buy digitally is music by artists I am marginally interested in and to me it's not much different than when I was a kid recording music I was marginally interested in off the radio. For the artists I REALLY like, I seek out the physical product as well. And with CDs, I rip the songs to MP3, but at least my back up is the physical copy of the CD.
If you all chose to re-release the Daniel Amos album as a regular one disc, I would pass. I would pay a hundred dollars and line the pocket of somebody on Ebay to get the deluxe edition before I would pay ten dollars for a single disc.
But I do have another question that delves into a bit of a different area: What is this THREE disc edition I see online of the Daniel Amos Anniversary CD?
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When we made the Deluxe Anniversary Edition of the first DA album we edited more than enough stuff for a second disc, we ended up with 3 discs worth of material. We intended the release to be 2 discs, so we gave away the third disc of extra stuff to those that preordered. Kind of a little bonus to those people that preorder and help make things happen.
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Knowing nothing about this kind of thing, can you offer downloads right through this site?
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When we made the Deluxe Anniversary Edition of the first DA album we edited more than enough stuff for a second disc, we ended up with 3 discs worth of material. We intended the release to be 2 discs, so we gave away the third disc of extra stuff to those that preordered. Kind of a little bonus to those people that preorder and help make things happen. |
I really hope when it looks like it's coming back in stock you offer the third disc again with a new pre order special. I completely missed out on this, and would gladly pay for whatever to get it all.
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When we made the Deluxe Anniversary Edition of the first DA album we edited more than enough stuff for a second disc, we ended up with 3 discs worth of material. We intended the release to be 2 discs, so we gave away the third disc of extra stuff to those that preordered. Kind of a little bonus to those people that preorder and help make things happen. |
I really hope when it looks like it's coming back in stock you offer the third disc again with a new pre order special. I completely missed out on this, and would gladly pay for whatever to get it all. |
how much would you REALLY pay for the 3-disc edition? if you have hundred(s) of dollars to line pockets with ... send a PM and i should get it in the next week or so or whenever i get back on here again ... disc 3 is really neat, unique early stuff for the die-hard fan, but be forewarned : it is poor audio quality but not bad considering it mostly came from old tapes never meant to be released.
i wished i had bought extra now, but cest-la-vie! 
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Originally posted by Audiori J
When we made the Deluxe Anniversary Edition of the first DA album we edited more than enough stuff for a second disc, we ended up with 3 discs worth of material. We intended the release to be 2 discs, so we gave away the third disc of extra stuff to those that preordered. Kind of a little bonus to those people that preorder and help make things happen. |
I really hope when it looks like it's coming back in stock you offer the third disc again with a new pre order special. I completely missed out on this, and would gladly pay for whatever to get it all. |
how much would you REALLY pay for the 3-disc edition? if you have hundred(s) of dollars to line pockets with ... send a PM and i should get it in the next week or so or whenever i get back on here again ... disc 3 is really neat, unique early stuff for the die-hard fan, but be forewarned : it is poor audio quality but not bad considering it mostly came from old tapes never meant to be released.
i wished i had bought extra now, but cest-la-vie!
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i just checked ... NO "Daniel Amos" CDs on ebay ...
amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B...43371446&sr=1-7
2 available $85, $180.
and it seems it is only for the 1 disc version! 
so, a 3-disc version should be worth a bit more ... or maybe wait until it is available in the webstore again ...
i guess i will have to figure out how to list this thing so i could get a lot for it ... i can wait a few more years to get another copy ...
anyone can PM me if they are serious about dropping this kind of $ to get one of these RIGHT NOW. i will start thinking about what it would really take and listen to it again tonight. 
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i just checked ... NO "Daniel Amos" CDs on ebay ...
amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B...43371446&sr=1-7
2 available $85, $180.
and it seems it is only for the 1 disc version!
so, a 3-disc version should be worth a bit more ... or maybe wait until it is available in the webstore again ...
i guess i will have to figure out how to list this thing so i could get a lot for it ... i can wait a few more years to get another copy ...
anyone can PM me if they are serious about dropping this kind of $ to get one of these RIGHT NOW. i will start thinking about what it would really take and listen to it again tonight.
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1) amazon.com sellers USUALLY charge exhorbitant prices and if you base your price base off of that, you will be disappointed.
2) Perhaps the DA self titled 30th Anniversary CD isn't currently available on ebay, but there are other markets online to consider. Alibris? GEMM? GEMM has the original CD for $50.00 in EXCELLENT CONDITION
http://www1.gemm.com/item/AMOS-c-DANIEL/...S/GML889575385/
You might want to see what online stores COLLECTORS would look at before throwing hundreds of dollars at an opportunist like you. You can wait? So can I...for a fair deal. Amazon.com rarely offers fair deals, and I get the feeling yours won't be either.
This type of gouging is all the more reason I would like to see a burn on demand service like Mixonic used to sell CDs of this nature. At least I would know if I spent my money there, it would go back to support the band.
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i just checked ... NO "Daniel Amos" CDs on ebay ...
amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B...43371446&sr=1-7
2 available $85, $180.
and it seems it is only for the 1 disc version!
so, a 3-disc version should be worth a bit more ... or maybe wait until it is available in the webstore again ...
i guess i will have to figure out how to list this thing so i could get a lot for it ... i can wait a few more years to get another copy ...
anyone can PM me if they are serious about dropping this kind of $ to get one of these RIGHT NOW. i will start thinking about what it would really take and listen to it again tonight.
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1) amazon.com sellers USUALLY charge exhorbitant prices and if you base your price base off of that, you will be disappointed.
2) Perhaps the DA self titled 30th Anniversary CD isn't currently available on ebay, but there are other markets online to consider. Alibris? GEMM? GEMM has the original CD for $50.00 in EXCELLENT CONDITION
http://www1.gemm.com/item/AMOS-c-DANIEL/...S/GML889575385/
You might want to see what online stores COLLECTORS would look at before throwing hundreds of dollars at an opportunist like you. You can wait? So can I...for a fair deal. Amazon.com rarely offers fair deals, and I get the feeling yours won't be either.
This type of gouging is all the more reason I would like to see a burn on demand service like Mixonic used to sell CDs of this nature. At least I would know if I spent my money there, it would go back to support the
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i think i may have bought 1 or 2 things from gemm over the years. $50 for only the 1 CD version still supports a price over $100 for a 3 CD set, imho.
so you really don't have hundreds to drop or money burning a hole in your pocket? oh well, i would seriously sell my 3 CD set but it would take a lot more than $50. it's all supply and demand ...
BTW i'm not exactly greedy either. i did pass on a rare DA cd to someone once for free that was not my favorite ... because someone gave it to me ... but this one i do like and i bought it "fair and square" via this here webstore pre-order process (didn't even get an extra) so i wouldn't feel the least bit guilty selling it for what would normally be a very exhorbitant price and use the proceeds to fund other musical purchases. heck, i might even buy a thing or 2 from the webstore.
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how much would you REALLY pay for the 3-disc edition? if you have hundred(s) of dollars to line pockets with ... send a PM and i should get it in the next week or so or whenever i get back on here again ... disc 3 is really neat, unique early stuff for the die-hard fan, but be forewarned : it is poor audio quality but not bad considering it mostly came from old tapes never meant to be released. |
Disc 3 sounds kind of like "Disc 2, part 2" - if there's more historical/anecdotal narration by Uncle Terry interspersed with the nostalgia tracks, then I'd be tempted to part with my hard-earned cash for a hardcore collector's price, if I had any (which, alas, I don't). If not, then my interest would be lessened somewhat. But I'd still probably plonk down ten to fifteen bucks for an official single-disc release of those tracks.
Maybe it'll be re-released along with the 40th Anniversary DVD-5.1-surround-mix edition.
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I'm buying new music on either vinyl or download. If neither is available, and it's something I want, I'll buy it on CD. But, going through my CD's recently (and seeing a lot of CD rot on discs that were over 10 years old), I'm not interested in it as a format any more. As far as downloads go, I back them up on an external hard drive.
For example, I haven't bought the DFBB reissue yet, but I did get the download via e-music. They, however, don't have the second disc (at least they didn't when I checked last). I will eventually get it on CD, but only because it's DA. I'd absolutely be thrilled to see DA downloads, and vinyl as well, although my guess is that I won't see that. But can you imagine MBD on a four or five record set? I can! 
I think fans understand why you guys put out what you do and in the format that you do, and usually will buy it.
As far as reissues go, I'll buy the deluxe editions, and single disc editions only if that's what is available. I currently don't have Shotgun Angel, The Alarma! Chronicles, DFBB, Kalhoun, Motorcycle, Bibleland, Let's Spin or Outdoor Elvis on CD (but I do have SA on vinyl, which I intend to ask Terry to sign when he comes to my church in August!)
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I missed out on this, and it would be great to have downloads if only for stuff like this: outtakes, rare stuff that DA owns the rights to, etc. Even if it were part of a fan club where you got so many downloads, that is something I would really enjoy!
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Yeah I think most do. There are a few that don't get it, but they are a small minority.
Terry's career is a huge puzzle. He has been so true to following where his creative mind goes that its almost impossible to market him to any one particular market. I emailed him recently talking about this subject.
Its kind of odd, but as most people know artistry and money are pretty much unknown to each other. If you think about it, business works hard to make money by appealing to the general market as much as possible. The American Idol schlock is a perfect example, it is a business engineered to make Simon Cowell rich, period. Its flashy, pop, cute, etc.
But if you are a real artist, you stretch the envelope. Your goal is to go where no one has gone before and chart new waters. By doing that, you are purposely not appealing to that general market bubble. You are purposely doing what doesn't make money, really, because you believe in doing something new even if its not popular.
For someone to manage a band like DA, when a managers job is to try and push the band to the general market and make money, is really to push the band in the opposite direction from which they are going. The two goals are at odds.
My brother and I, understand what most fans of DA do... that these guys are not rich, they are not going to be, and we all get it. We understand what Terry and the gang are doing and we believe in it so much that we try and help them generate money while at the same time not pushing them to appeal to the general market like a manager would.
Stay on the cutting edge, ahead of your time, and we will try and market all this weird stuff in every way we can, even if it means doing different things to please different subsets of fans.
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God bless you for that. You're right, Wal-Mart has no place for Uncle Terry.
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Honestly, I think the "bare bones single disc" idea would be a waste of time and money. I just don't see enough people being interested in that option for it to be financially worth it. Most of us DA/Terry fans are hardcore, and (speaking for myself, anyway) will always opt for the deluxe version of an album when it's offered.
Also, I personally don't buy digital download versions of albums. I love CDs. I will always love CDs. I'm all for you guys "deluxing" the heck out of the back catalog, and encourage you to cram each release with as many bells and whistles as possible.
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| Honestly, I think the "bare bones single disc" idea would be a waste of time and money. I just don't see enough people being interested in that option for it to be financially worth it. Most of us DA/Terry fans are hardcore, and (speaking for myself, anyway) will always opt for the deluxe version of an album when it's offered. |
I was thinking this way as well. I don't know that there are that many new/casual fans of DA when compared to those who would buy deluxe sets.
Perhaps downloads would be the way to sell something to new listeners.
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