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Sure they do...it's just invalid. 
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In fact, I partly agree with the statement that Christian Rock (ew) is not meant to evangelize, at least not in the traditional sense, If anything, the best of the stuff coaxes the listener into making their own decisions, not beating them over the head with the Gideon, then scorching their feet with hellfire.
The best Christian music tries to show God through different lenses. After all, there are many out there who would be saved if only they thought God still existed, period. The athiestic nihlism that is part & parcel of the modern culture doesn't even have room for the thought. Sometimes, all it takes is someone to say, "that amazing thing you're seeing can't be an accident".
It's also good for the practicing Christian to hear, now and again, that God does not talk in everyone's ear or make them speak in tongues or give them faith-healing gifts. God has not forsaken you just because you live an average life - actually, your averageness might be His greatest blessing to you, depending on how you look at it.
So I agree in part that the best CCM doesn't beat the listener into spiritual submission, but kind of points them to the door. As for the 'screaming man worship', the writer will just have to reconcile that his own darn self.
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Eis
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yeah, except what they are saying by "not meant to evangelize" is that the only proper use of music is praising God, as defined by them.
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Eis
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Well, and maybe your fart was to God's glory (that's art, right?). But it was not in the sense that they mean.
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jiminy
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Well, and maybe your fart was to God's glory (that's art, right?). But it was not in the sense that they mean. |
well said...
he heeee
SS as great points - but when C artists are criticized for the lack of the J word...it doesnt make sense to me.
You mentioned the phrase "concepts of Scripture" - I wholeheartedly agree..and see that in a lot on Non C music too. there is a lot of "Pro God" music in this world- that deserves to be heard- just like there is some C music ..thats less than totally "Pro God-"
if ya know what i mean.
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Originally posted by jiminy
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Well, and maybe your fart was to God's glory (that's art, right?). But it was not in the sense that they mean. |
well said...
he heeee
SS as great points - but when C artists are criticized for the lack of the J word...it doesnt make sense to me.
You mentioned the phrase "concepts of Scripture" - I wholeheartedly agree..and see that in a lot on Non C music too. there is a lot of "Pro God" music in this world- that deserves to be heard- just like there is some C music ..thats less than totally "Pro God-"
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I put that in there because I didn't want to imply that if you aren't quoting, your song is bad. There is fine secular music and there's nothing wrong with listening to it. As you know, I love a great deal of secular music, especially in the area of country and bluegrass. Before someone jumps on my case, I hate some country music because some of it is very immoral. When it comes on, I change the station.
Not everything I listen to is teaching a lesson, either. My criteria is that it doesn't promote sin. You can even sing about sin, so long as it's exposed for what it is.
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Christian music, whether Rock or not, should advance His Kingdom in some way. The most obvious way it can advance the kingdom is by proclamation of the word of God. One of the problems with the detractors of Christian Rock is that they focus on the medium and not the message.
Music can convict, praise, sanctify, reprove, or even comfort by using Scripture to do so. To me, that's one of the purest and most effective ways to help Scripture to get into my heart and into my head.
Even if Scripture is not directly quoted, it can carry a good doctrinal or practical message by applying the concepts of Scripture. Occasionally, I run into a Christian song with bad doctrine behind it- like prosperity doctrine garbage. Those songs are to me more damaging than any secular music.
Music with immoral lyrics, no matter how well played is trash to me. In fact, if it's well played, I hate it even more because the skill of the musicians makes it appealling to listen to and thus allows my mind to be exposed to bad ideas. It's hard enough to try to focus on hating sin and trying to completely remove it from my life by allowing the Spirit to reign, without exposing myself to songs that glamorize it. I know others claim that they have liberty in Christ to hear what they will and I agree but I'm trying to really hate sin and I don't want it in my mind.
Music then becomes my best friend and my worst enemy because I can't stop it from playing in my head.
God's word never returns to Him without accomplishing that which it intended to do. If God's word is being proclaimed in song, it's being applied to minds.
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Christian music, whether Rock or not, should advance His Kingdom in some way. The most obvious way it can advance the kingdom is by proclamation of the word of God. One of the problems with the detractors of Christian Rock is that they focus on the medium and not the message.
Music can convict, praise, sanctify, reprove, or even comfort by using Scripture to do so. To me, that's one of the purest and most effective ways to help Scripture to get into my heart and into my head.
Even if Scripture is not directly quoted, it can carry a good doctrinal or practical message by applying the concepts of Scripture. Occasionally, I run into a Christian song with bad doctrine behind it- like prosperity doctrine garbage. Those songs are to me more damaging than any secular music.
Music with immoral lyrics, no matter how well played is trash to me. In fact, if it's well played, I hate it even more because the skill of the musicians makes it appealling to listen to and thus allows my mind to be exposed to bad ideas. It's hard enough to try to focus on hating sin and trying to completely remove it from my life by allowing the Spirit to reign, without exposing myself to songs that glamorize it. I know others claim that they have liberty in Christ to hear what they will and I agree but I'm trying to really hate sin and I don't want it in my mind.
Music then becomes my best friend and my worst enemy because I can't stop it from playing in my head.
God's word never returns to Him without accomplishing that which it intended to do. If God's word is being proclaimed in song, it's being applied to minds.
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Sorry for the double post. I have a trouble ticket in on this mouse!
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hope you dint think i was jumpin on ya at all - I werent.
I just liked the way you phrased it.
biblical concepts lie outside of Chapter and verse too....
I recall a "controversy" about a great Kenny Marks song from the 80s called
White dress
about divorce - well, relationships mainly
a few asked "wheres the God reference in this?"
well- knowing what God feels about marriage- the song was right out of the pages of the book
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servantsteve
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ss
hope you dint think i was jumpin on ya at all - I werent.
I just liked the way you phrased it.
biblical concepts lie outside of Chapter and verse too....
I recall a "controversy" about a great Kenny Marks song from the 80s called
White dress
about divorce - well, relationships mainly
a few asked "wheres the God reference in this?"
well- knowing what God feels about marriage- the song was right out of the pages of the book |
Quite the contrary, I thought you shared my viewpoint and were expounding on it.
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Eis
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ditto and ditto, SS and Jiminy.
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When I was in college in '89 and my relationship with God was really starting, a friend lent me a cassette of DFBB knowing I was into alternative music. I loved it, it was the right thing at the time. The only song I don't like is the first one, I think DA goes a bit overboard against televangelists and it just doesn't fit. But the rest of the album is great.
I bought the disc a couple years after and as I recall the artwork resembling the album cover was on the disc. Unfortunately something happened to the disc and the thing was rare enough so i wrote a letter to Frontline explaining my dismay and they sent me a new one for free! This disc has a picture of the band members on it but certainly looks nothing like '87.
I enjoyed Buechner's Dream and many of their other releases although I've lost touch with most of their works in the last ten years or so.
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I enjoyed Buechner's Dream and many of their other releases although I've lost touch with most of their works in the last ten years or so. |
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I always took the first song to be less about a televangelist and more about the band. Sort of a mocking of the demonizing of artistic rock music, from the perspective of reflecting the absurdity of 'assuming it was true';
Return Of The Beat Menace
from the album "Darn Floor - Big Bite"
Words and Music by Terry Taylor, Tim Chandler, and Greg Flesch
©1987 Broken Songs (ASCAP)
Again you announce while you whirl and bounce
Intentions to pounce on the beat menace
No woman or man could ever withstand
The devious plans of the beat menace
Come to lay you low, we've come to vex your soul
Feeling the heat, hell at your feet
Don't even speak of the beat menace
Something to take away your innocence
Someone to blame it on
Helps you to defeat
Dancing in the street
Come to lay you low, we've come to vex you
Resolved in your mind- the nature of crime
Is to swallow the line of the beat menace
Imagination's on the rise again
So hide your heart away
Dust off the fears and guilts and lies again
The beat is here to stay
Your satellite can reach that Eskimo
He buys a suit and tie
Re-styles his hair like girls in Tupelo
And sings "Sweet Bye And Bye"
He's meeting all your strange requirements
He thinks you can't be fooled
He'll get the rules and laws and sacraments
By sending checks to you
We've come to bring you low
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I have yet to hear DFBB in its entirety yet. I've heard the title track on Our Personal Favorites, the remix of "Unattainable Earth" on MFT, and just recently, "Strange Animals" on the DA MySpace page. Would love to see it re-released.
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I have the orginal DFBB CD. I made my own version of DFBB - added a bit of compression and tweaked the EQ slightly.
My DA collection on CD:
Alarma (Stunt)
Alarma Chronicles Bookset
Bibleland (Brainstorm)
Daniel Amos (Maranatha!)
Daniel Amos - 30th (Stunt)
Darn Floor - Big Bite (Frontline)
Doppleganger (Stunt)
Fearful Symmetry (Frontline)
Horrendous Disc (Solid Rock - 2 copies)
Kalhoun (Brainstorm)
Live Bootleg '82 (Stunt)
Motorcycle (Brainstorm)
Motorcycle Tracks (Stunt/Brainstorm)
Mr Buechner's Dream (Galaxy 21)
Our Personal Favorite World Famous Hits (KMG)
Preachers From Outer Space (Stunt - 2 copies)
Shotgun Angel (Maranatha!)
Songs of the Heart (Brainstorm)
Vox Humana (Refuge/Heartbeat)
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I did not own DFBB until the "deluxe edition" was made available.
(By the way, there is a lot of humor in this thread.)
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