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joey 
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| I think they clarified as much as they meant to clarify. |
So then, politicians own this label? 
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cats for obama.... i think that says it all............ 
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Audiori J
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| As in, how a Producer is producing an album long before its being manufactured. |
Not to be too critical, but to almost every band/label/manager/music fan, what they said there means that the CD's are being actually made (booklets printed, CD glass master stamping out CD's, etc.).
At least they are doing the reissue. Maybe they just need to clarify a little better. |
I would disagree. If you say a film is currently in production that means its being worked on (filmed, edited, etc.) , not that its being manufactured. I know bands, fans, labels, mangers and producers that use the term this way. It means its past the idea stage, but not yet finished and ready for sale.
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MarkyMark77
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| If you say a film is currently in production that means its being worked on (filmed, edited, etc.) , not that its being manufactured. I know bands, fans, labels, mangers and producers that use the term this way. |
I've not seen or heard that, for the most part, as far as music goes. As a rule, in music, especially with smaller/indie labels, it implies that it's being manufactured. I'm sure that some do use it that way, but for music, it's not that common. For films, yes, all the time I see it. But unless DFBB is a feature film (which would, I'm sure, be cool!), I don't agree.
I'm not looking for a fight here, just making an observation. I don't care either way. I think most fans want more updates that labels are willing to give or have time for. Therefore, we look for info (almost rabidly) and any tidbit is of interest. It probably shouldn't be, but what are you gonna do? We loves us some DA! 
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audiori
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As a rule, in music, especially with smaller/indie labels, it means that it's being manufactured. |
It means that, to who? The fans?
In the last 10+ years, I've always heard the word used very generally. When someone wants to say something is being manufactured, they usually say "printed," or "pressed."
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MarkyMark77
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| It means that, to who? The fans? |
I've been doing music (and the related business of it) for almost 20 years in some capacity, so I think we'll just have to disagree. It doesn't really matter.
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No, it doesn't. Just trying to understand what you meant.
Have you been working in the Christian/Rock indie scene? Maybe there are differences depending on the genre you're working in.
Or else its just something unique to the 77s/DA/Heard/Norman/Choir camps (and, apparently, Arena Rock). Think Roe usually says "pressed." It's usually "print" on the DA side.
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i think it's two things:
one is the flow of information from a label to it's audience.
the other is the audiences expectation of what they "hope" the label means.
at least that's how i see it.
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MarkyMark77
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| Have you been working in the Christian/Rock indie scene? Maybe there are differences depending on the genre you're working in. |
Yes. Could be. From everything I read from indie labels, it means "manufactured". But, it could be different for different genres/artists/etc.
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And, again, they can be a rabid lot! 
None of those here, though!
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i think it's two things:
one is the flow of information from a label to it's audience.
the other is the audiences expectation of what they "hope" the label means.
at least that's how i see it. |
I do agree with that. I know we've experienced that on my occasions. Even something as vague as "coming soon" gets translated to a week in some peoples minds.
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wes berlin
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i think it's two things:
one is the flow of information from a label to it's audience.
the other is the audiences expectation of what they "hope" the label means.
at least that's how i see it. |
I do agree with that. I know we've experienced that on my occasions. Even something as vague as "coming soon" gets translated to a week in some peoples minds. |
plus with daniel amos there's an added extra dimension, most of us are "old timers" and back in the day (before internet) we had little info about things in the works....and then one day there would be something. now there's more info and with the info is the expectation factor that gets ramped up to 11.
of course all of this is very general.....cause every situation is different, but that's my 2 cents. 
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plus with daniel amos there's an added extra dimension, most of us are "old timers" and back in the day (before internet) we had little info about things in the works....and then one day there would be something. now there's more info and with the info is the expectation factor that gets ramped up to 11. |
True, you would know DA had a new album when you walked into the store and found it there for sale!
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Ron E
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ach, you were lucky to have a store, laddy, I had to go into a cardboard box in the middle of the freeway!
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08-29-2008 09:32 |
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It really doesn't matter, but for clarification purposes only;
Main Entry: Produce
Function: verb
4: to make available for public exhibition or dissemination: as a: to provide funding for <search for backers to produce the film> b: to oversee the making of <will produce their new album>
5 a: to cause to have existence or to happen : bring about b: to give being, form, or shape to : make; especially : manufacture
6: to compose, create, or bring out by intellectual or physical effort
7: to cause to accrue
Main Entry: pre-production
Function: noun
1. Movies. the steps necessary to prepare a film for production, as casting, choosing locations, and designing sets and costumes.
–adjective
2. occurring before production.
Main Entry: production
Function: noun
1 a: something produced : product b: a literary or artistic work: a work presented to the public (as on the stage or screen or over the air): something exaggerated out of proportion to its importance
2 a: the act or process of producing b: the creation of utility; especially : the making of goods available for use
3: total output especially of a commodity or an industry
4: often attributive : something not specially designed or customized and usually mass-produced
Mainr Entry: post-production
Function: noun
Date: 1953
1: the period following filming or taping in which a motion picture or television show is readied for public presentation
Main Entry: Manufacture
Function: verb
1: to make into a product suitable for use
2 a: to make from raw materials by hand or by machinery b: to produce according to an organized plan and with division of labor c: prefabricate <a manufactured home>
3: invent, fabricate <known to manufacture evidence>
4: to produce as if by manufacturing : create <writers who manufacture stories for television>
5: to engage in manufacture
I can tell you this is the way we understand it and have always heard it from anyone we work with. Which also mirrors the definition in the media about films that are usually said to be in pre-prouction (planning, writing, casting), production (Filming) or post-production (Editing). Usually the producer either pays for the production, and/or orchestrates it. The songwriting and planning could be considerd pre-production and into the recording process which would be part of the production. Post-production would basically consist of the mixing and mastering and possibly the artwork. (These things can often overlap quite a bit.) And Manufacturing or printing would be the actual creation of the CDs or film by the pressing plant. When it comes to reissues, there really isn't a pre-production, no songs to be written, and nothing to record usually, so the entire production would be the remastering and artwork design. Who ever is producing the album would be overseeing this process, and after production would be manufacturing. And lastly would be of course Distribution to the fans.
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ach, you were lucky to have a store, laddy, I had to go into a cardboard box in the middle of the freeway! |
You were lucky. I shopped for records in a brown paper bag in a septic tank, and when I got to the checkout counter, the clerk would slice me in two with a bread knife.
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If DFBB is released on Arena Rock, is the arena tour sure to follow?
I am holding my breath...
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jon eddies
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Boy some people are a little touchy here. No names but people need to relax. We will get when we get it and no amount of quibbling over word ussage is going to change that. We are ALL excited to get our hands on a copy. Let's let that one die people! 
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08-29-2008 23:25 |
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John Foxe
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I bump this one up from time to time because mentioning this more often CAN have an effect on release dates.
The squeaky wheel does get oil sometimes if the squeak gets too irritable. Kind of like Jesus' parable of the persistent woman before the judge, or the friend who keeps pounding on his friend's door until they get him that loaf of bread.
Well, how about it, friend?
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