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Yeah I am kind of the same way. Another aspect that a lot of people always forget is that some of the albums are not owned by the band. The owners of the material may have restrictions on how Terry and the guys can reissue it. They may allow him to license the material with restrictions on how its packaged or distributed.
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MarkyMark77
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So...
The companies that own the masters to some of the DA albums won't allow (or put restrictions on) Terry reissuing his own work. Aside from the big issue of how the music industry screws artists out of various rights and royalties, I have to make the obvious observation: they are not doing anything with those masters. It's like KMG not allowing Jeffery K. to reissue "Ten Songs" for a long time. For what reason? Was KMG going to do a big rollout of the entire Adam Again catalog? Not bloody likely.
For the most part, these bands didn't sell Petra-sized amounts of product when they were new. (They should have sold millions, but that's not my point) They certainly aren't now. So, they're just going to let all of these master recordings rot while us fans wonder if we can make CD copies or downloads, and wait and wait and wait to be ministered to by some really great music. Did the greatest hits releases really do enough business to warrant exercising such narrow control over the albums? I understand the costs of publishing, manufacturing, etc. and I do not begrudge the labels get their cut. But now, it would seem like there is no cut to be had. The parable of the rich fool in Luke 12 comes to mind. You can store and store and store it up, but for what? All this "bread" (music) should be cast upon the water...
With the greatest hits packages of LD, DA & AA deleted (I'm assuming), there is no in-print back catalog product for any of these bands. Which, by the way, makes me appreciate how all of these bands operate, and the people (like the Audioris) who do all of this leg work to get the music out. Thank you guys.
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Audiori J
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Yea it can be frustrating. The way that kind of thing works is that when a band cannot afford to put enough money into a release themselves, they get some label that is willing to do it. That label invests a lot of their money into it, if the album doesn't sell well..the label still wants to make their money back.
So you end up with a situation where the investor is protecting what they 'bought' or paid for. Its not that they are wanting to be mean or something to the artist. If the artist puts the album out in some cheap format, the label thinks that ruins any chance of finding a way to make some money back later. Its protecting their investment.
Thats why labels ask for a certain hunk of money to license what they own. They either want to get their money that way, or wait until the market is right to release it themselves.
For us, the much better solution is putting things out on our own so we own it. And when I see we I mean the band. The band can reprint and do whatever they want with anything we have helped put out. The Buechners DVD...the band is restriction free, its paid for, they can do whatever they please with it. Even after we no longer work with them, as far as we are concerned they own it.
Some restrictions certain 'owners' of material may have, may be just that its reissued nice. I know Terry has in the past worked out deals where he has done a favor such as producing a kids series or something for a label.
Some owners may be more willing to work with him personally than a company or label wanting to put something out. Its all just business politics.
But if Terry can put out some indipendant releases he can fund whatever he wants. Those things can help with the generation of income to deal with companies.
If anyone has ideas of something that can be done, feel free to post em. We will collect them and send em off to Terry.
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MarkyMark77
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I'm sure it is frustrating. And what you said was exactly my point. Having some experience in the Christian music industry, I know how some of this stuff goes down. Like I said, I have no problem with everyone recouping their investment, making money, etc. But if a company allows a reissue by a label like Lo-Fidelity with certain constraints (pressing number, artwork or whatever) that is a better situation than just leaving the recordings in the vault. Would "Ten Songs" ever have seen a reissue if Lo-Fidelity had not taken the initiative? I would love to see a Christian music market where reissues of our beloved bands sell well - but, I don't think that will ever happen. I know what you're saying, and I know that's how it is, but Christian music industry thinking never did make much sense to me, even when I was semi-involved in it. We tend to allow bad behavior because it's business and not church. Would we say that these labels are good stewards of what God has given them? I don't know.
In the suggestion department, you could always do what artists do when they want to put a greatest hits record with songs they recorded on a different label: they re-record them. Of course, to most musicphiles this is the worst atrocity that can be committed. But, with DA at the peak of their performance abilities, why not have DA enter a studio and simply re-record every single album? Not only would you own all the recordings, but fans who have the old recordings would want the new ones to complete their collection. I SAY BRING ON THE RE-RECORDINGS!!!! 
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The Glass Harp website has a bunch of free downloads just to help people hear the band, mostly live stuff and demos.
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Dr Rich
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The Glass Harp website has a bunch of free downloads just to help people hear the band, mostly live stuff and demos. |
Check it out.
http://www.glassharp.net/Pages/sounds.html
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We definitely want to bring back samples... we used to have like 3 or 4 song samples from every album so that people could hear what they sound like. At the time, we had a smaller server and had to remove them for space - but now, we have a much larger server and we're only using like a third of the space.
We've been thinking about either having certain songs available for download or maybe just a streaming audio player that plays a dozen different songs or something..
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We definitely want to bring back samples... we used to have like 3 or 4 song samples from every album so that people could hear what they sound like. At the time, we had a smaller server and had to remove them for space - but now, we have a much larger server and we're only using like a third of the space.
We've been thinking about either having certain songs available for download or maybe just a streaming audio player that plays a dozen different songs or something.. |
why isn't Da on myspace? 
terry, the lost dogs, adam again, the choir, and now mike roe and the 77's are...... 
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audiori
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We definitely want to bring back samples... we used to have like 3 or 4 song samples from every album so that people could hear what they sound like. At the time, we had a smaller server and had to remove them for space - but now, we have a much larger server and we're only using like a third of the space.
We've been thinking about either having certain songs available for download or maybe just a streaming audio player that plays a dozen different songs or something.. |
why isn't Da on myspace?
terry, the lost dogs, adam again, the choir, and now mike roe and the 77's are......
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Not sure. I guess Terry just wanted to lump all of his stuff together - band stuff, Neverhood stuff and solo stuff. We'll ask him if he wants a DA page set up.. couldn't hurt I guess.
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I think it's needless to say that if Terry puts out a Cd I'll buy it.....
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for me i like to have a CDR and for 5$ who could ask for more
hey what about a Eddies verion of abidin and skeptic's soung do them disco like love grapes
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Audiori J
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Yeah. Its a balance. On one hand its a Christian thing, supposed to be about the message. On the otherhand people have to make a living or in otherwords there are not many labels that do things out of charity..if there is they won't last long. I do think some of the label ownership is out of touch with how much they think they can recoup from these albums. If they ask thousands to license something they are out of their freaking minds. The Christian market unfortunately is not like the regular market in that it doesn't remember its history much. There is still a market for Elvis, Buddy Holly, or whoever in the secular market. And a few years go by and the Christian market forgets the Mark Heards, or the Keith Greens. The dynamic is not the same, the longer they wait, the less value they have. Because the audience doesn't remember, or the new generation isn't informed about where the current CCM came from.
Having said that there is a loyal 'collector' type fan base some of these artists still have like all of us, but its not big enough for these labels to be asking enormous amounts of money to license the old albums.
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Yes, I have not understood why the Christian market does not remember its history. But then again, Christian music is often sold in Christian bookstores by people who know nothing about the music or are old ladies who don't listen to the alternative CD's.
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Yes, I have not understood why the Christian market does not remember its history. But then again, Christian music is often sold in Christian bookstores by people who know nothing about the music or are old ladies who don't listen to the alternative CD's. |
The big (and only) Christian 'store' in Duluth recently closed its doors.
The market is fading..........................is that a good thing?????
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Audiori J
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Yeah its a mess.
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If you do special downloads, make "Nowhere is Someplace" available!
That song is as elusive as the holy grail to me....
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Originally posted by iota
If you do special downloads, make "Nowhere is Someplace" available!
That song is as elusive as the holy grail to me.... |
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If you do special downloads, make "Nowhere is Someplace" available!
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audiori
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It's on the DVD. 
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Reissues and such