Daniel Amos Message Board
Register Calendar Members List Team Members Search Frequently Asked Questions Go to the Main Page

Daniel Amos Message Board » Search » Search Results » Hello Guest [Login|Register]
Showing posts 1 to 20 of 1,086 results Pages (55): [1] 2 3 next » ... last »
Author Post
Thread: Terry Taylor's Guild JF30 Jumbo Acoustic Guitar w/case - personalized to winner!
Audiori J

Replies: 11
Views: 9,913
05-15-2018 23:46 Forum: General Discussion


The black one from MBD was won by Kevin Shafer at Cornerstone.
Thread: Placed order on Feb 26th
Audiori J

Replies: 4
Views: 498
04-25-2018 13:25 Forum: Upcoming Releases


Not trying to make excuses, but Eric has a LOT going on this week with the kickstarter and his wedding. He will get back to you. The site gets tons of email, so it can take some time to go through it. Plus the board here was down for several weeks.

Be sure and give him as much information about the order as possible (in the email, not in this public forum), it can help in looking up the order to see if there was an issue.

Typically the main issues we've had were orders that were shipped but were lost in the mail, used to have a huge problem with customs on international shipping. People's cards not going through or checks bouncing. And occasionally the credit processing system has a hiccup and charges someone and they don't send us the email invoice we use to fill the orders. In that case we can manually go in the system and look it up with detailed information.

Occasionally people will write asking questions about an order but they just say something like "Can you tell my if my order shipped? Dave" If you have the order number, the date, what you ordered, the total amount and your full name it really helps in finding it.
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 219
Views: 97,711
03-07-2018 11:49 Forum: Upcoming Releases


In Kickstarter, log in... on the right side it has a button for 'View Pledge' the survey is there if you are supposed to get a shirt.

Or click on the "Campaign" tab at the top of the page.
It will take you to the page for this Kickstarter.
There's a box on the right that tells you your pledge.
If it has a date at the bottom, you already filled out the survey.
If you haven't filled out the survey, there should be a button there saying something like "Fill Out Survey."
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 219
Views: 97,711
02-11-2018 18:23 Forum: Upcoming Releases


That's probably the case with lots of artists, I was thinking of a specific old school christian rock artist though. Terry told me of one that has a garage full of old recordings.

The last manager Terry had used to argue with us some about getting rid of all the old DA titles. He wanted only the then new album for sale at shows and on the site. We wanted as many titles as possible available. The way we saw it, especially with DA, there are people that come to the site to buy their old favorite album.. say a fan of Shotgun Angel. They come to the site for that and while making a purchase they go ahead and buy something else. Most of the sales here have been that way.
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 219
Views: 97,711
02-11-2018 08:48 Forum: Upcoming Releases


Well a lot of those studios they used no longer exist. Horrendous Disc was recorded 40 years ago.
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 219
Views: 97,711
02-10-2018 20:50 Forum: Upcoming Releases


Yeah we asked him and Janet heard.
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 219
Views: 97,711
02-07-2018 13:27 Forum: Upcoming Releases


Yeah someday. I think what happens a lot of the time is that these tapes are big and heavy, someone like Ed ends up being the "archivist" for a while, then maybe he doesn't have the room and it switches to someone else. So you have that going on. Then some one records like the Madam Wong's show, being Mark Heard.. that tape could be with Ed.. nope. With the tapes we have which Ed used to have... nope. With the early DA engineers...nope. Maybe it's in Mark Heard's archive of tapes (which might be pretty big).. are they even labeled? Could they be with Mark's old manager? Could they be in Solid Rock's archive...they don't see them. After 30 years it's hard to track down. I've heard Gene Eugene used to record over tapes at the Green Room.. so there's that. Then you also have labels holding tapes they feel are theirs if a band was under contract with them at the time... even if some things might of been recorded prior to the contract. Some of that gets fuzzy.

And I think with some artists, once they record something and it's out... they move on to the next project and don't really like looking back. So in some cases, they are not to interested in the old tapes and where they even are. I've heard of one significant artist of that era who has a garage full of old recordings. I guess it's like looking back at old snapshots of when you were a kid, how often do we go there?
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 219
Views: 97,711
02-07-2018 08:45 Forum: Upcoming Releases


Some of the photos of tapes and whatnot will be in the book and booklet, etc. I can tell you a few things;

For the artwork of say the album itself we basically went back to the original photos and recreated the artwork so that it looks more modern quality. We are limited in that regard by the quality of the original photographs many of which were taken by Larry Norman himself. We had to create some new artwork and we've included a lot of photos taken at the time of the band tapes and other memorabilia. Tom Gulotta, Court Patton, Eric and myself have all been working on various parts of the layout and artwork. There was just so much to do. The lyrics, many of which had never been transcribed had to be proof read, which was done recently. Then there are the credits which were never fully correct or complete until now.

Edit: A good example is the back cover of HD, that photograph, we assume the original was sent by Larry to CCM for the 'Angry Young Men' issue. So an alternative had to be found and we ended up using the print that was made for Larry's original layout.

The audio; first as many tapes as we could find had to be found. Some Solid Rock had, some the band members had, some we had, some a few other people had. You have multitracks and various 'masters' in varying quality and levels of completion. We've digitally transferred as much as possible which allows us to pick the best sounding versions, and in some cases even remix a track or two. Typically we use studios that specialize in transferring archival tapes to digital. Some people have heard some of the 10 biggies before, there are tapes floating around out there, but you have never heard them like this. We had everything digitally mastered by a professional.

The process of all of this is what makes it take a while. Charles Norman has dug through the Solid Rock archives (of which I am sure there is a ton) and continued sending us stuff every few weeks as he would uncover a new trove, meanwhile we've been working on layout and lyrics and getting stuff mixed and mastered. We've also contacted several people associated with the band to help us find lost tapes and things. Band members have raided their stash to help with finding better sounding versions of songs.

There are a couple tapes somewhere out there from the period that still have not been found, not anything that will effect this project but would still be great to find. An example is Mark Heard professionally recorded DA at Madam Wong's in LA. We'd love to find that, but nobody seems to know whose storage it is in. (Similarly someone has a multitrack tape of DA live with an orchestra performing the Shotgun Angel era music.)

We've also tried to unravel the timeline of events with Horrendous Disc, what went on from the time it was recorded for Maranatha in 1978 until it's release on Solid Rock in 1981. Eric has put all of that together to include in the book. When the songs were recorded, the bands plans, when they left one label and signed with a new one, the various masters that were made and for what reason, etc.

Edit: It seems as though (and I assume this may be the case with a lot of labels) DA would tell what they wanted for say the album cover and whoever was in charge would say ok, I'll do that but I will add these elements or change this or that. So you have bits and pieces of things the band wanted and also what they didn't want all mixed together. Same thing with the audio and other parts of the layout. Some other things just don't seem to make any sense at all.
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 219
Views: 97,711
02-06-2018 08:37 Forum: Upcoming Releases


Yeah its a LOT of layout work, and there is a process with several layout people involved and band member input. Proof reading, adjustments, etc, etc, etc. Waaaay slower than I like, but with so much involved in this they want to make sure everything is as perfect as possible.
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 219
Views: 97,711
12-25-2017 10:16 Forum: Upcoming Releases


There are also some really really poor copies of the 10 Biggies floating around out there, but we went back to the original 4 track tapes and had them professionally mastered. Vast difference.
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 219
Views: 97,711
12-01-2017 13:26 Forum: Upcoming Releases


Yeah I am not sure how they produced the CDs they put out, but based on how our new version sounds, I am pretty sure they didn't always use the correct master (because the correct master has some recognizable differences.) I am absolutely sure they didn't get them mastered at the level we are. The amount kickstarter brought in really allows us to do a lot more, the mastering, manufacturing, etc of all of this material is costing a fortune.
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 219
Views: 97,711
11-30-2017 15:36 Forum: Upcoming Releases


This is the original 2000 LN announcement of HD on CD;

We're happy to announce that the release of DANIEL AMOS' "HORRENDOUS DISC" album is coming out very soon with BONUS TRACKS and possibly on 2 CDs if everything can't be made to fit. There will be unreleased SOLID ROCK photos of the band in a luxurious presentation designed to satisfy everyone who has ever wanted the CD to be released. If you've been thinking of getting a bootleg version don't waste your money.
For years it was not possible to get out a quality release because of the condition of the tapes. You know we've had problems with a lot of the archives because the tapes needed baking. At the time we discovered the problem a convection oven cost was around $10,000 and needed a large space for what is basically a pizza oven.
The HORRENDOUS DISC is a pleasure to hear. The original Word pressings on SOLID ROCK were made from third or fourth generation copies. For some reason Word didn't wait for the master reel and made their pressings from an 8-Track sub-copy of a copy of a copy.
This HORRENDOUS DISC pressing is brilliant in sound. If Daniel Amos hasn't been appreciated as they should have been in the past twenty years, we hope that this will bring them the recognition and the accolades they deserve.
Terry Taylor is one of the smartest artists in the contemporary Christian scene. He has produced many other artists, including Randy Stonehill, and proved that he is capable of interpreting more than alternative music.
As Lewis Carroll said: Hooray, hooray, callooh, callay.
Save your pennies for one of the cornerstone albums of the last thirty
years.
Larry and Kerry and the Solid Rock Circle.
Larry Norman
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 219
Views: 97,711
11-30-2017 12:23 Forum: Upcoming Releases


Yeah Solid Rock mentioned in the blurb about the first CD release of HD that the original was taken from a copy of a copy of a master. So not only was it not the correct master, it was an inferior lower speed copy.
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 219
Views: 97,711
11-29-2017 09:36 Forum: Upcoming Releases


Yeah it's an interesting story.
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 219
Views: 97,711
11-23-2017 11:52 Forum: Upcoming Releases


This will be like nothing ever reissued before. It will definately be worth the wait.
Thread: When Worlds Collide 2?
Audiori J

Replies: 36
Views: 20,758
10-13-2017 17:02 Forum: General Discussion


Yeah the kickstarter thing is truly a blessing. I absolutely HATED the pre-order days. That was true torture for everyone involved, unfortunately there were not many other options at the time.

If you think about it with the HD kickstarter there are 756 backers pledging $52,015... that averages out to about $68 a person. Back in the olden days of preorder, the same amount of people would of generated about $11,340 at $15 a person for a CD. The guys couldn't make a new album with that budget. Not to mention everyone hated preorders, so we'd struggle to get 400 or 500 people to commit. So we'd always have to come up with (and pay for out of pocket) some other releases to supplement. Then you'd get some people who were irritated by the whole affair (and rightfully so) who would discourage other people from preordering or ordering. Even had some people lie and tell people that the money wasn't going to the band. Every dime we ever brought in went to the management and/or band.

The first DA tribute was a nightmare to make in a lot of ways, I don't even like to listen to it much anymore because of some of the situations. We started out wanting to make a double disc set, got enough people to promise to record, but in the end we got about a disc and a third. So we didn't feel right putting out two discs and making people pay for two discs with only that number of tracks. Then you had people truly irritated they got bumped. You had some people switch and record at the last minute songs that other people had already recorded. So they had to be bumped. Had one artist record his own song for it, which seemed out of place since everyone had agreed to record a DA song. Bumped. We had to drive to South Carolina because the guys mastering the album wanted us there while they mastered it, of course the two days we were there they pretty much worked on other stuff. Add that waste to the expenses. Then they had the discs shipped to them in SC the week of Cornerstone, and we needed them for the fest. They shipped them to us and tried to stick us with a $750 shipping bill... when we'd already paid to have them shipped to us when we paid the manufacturing bill.

Thats my rant. But I agree, we do need to get the remaining tracks out there a couple of them are pretty good.
Thread: Royalty Loyalty
Audiori J

Replies: 6
Views: 2,179
07-06-2017 06:18 Forum: General Discussion


Yeah... but I think it was set up in such a way that for example in the 60s the bands didn't have the money to press a million copies of their album... the labels did. So if the label pays for most of it and pays for advertising and all that, they get most of the money. The royalty thing was to make sure the artist got something.

Now days it's quite different... there still is the above for big name artists... but things like kickstarter and patreon allow the artist to be essentially their own label. Of course typically millions of copies don't get sold and the advertising is not like Pepsi commercials and Rolling Stone.

One other thing.... when a song is played publically to an audience the radio station or whoever should be paying royalties. Which again gets messy because as everyone knows with the internet.. and online radio stations and youtube people put artist's music up to stream and nothing gets paid to the artist at all.

It's why there is a debate about how to police the internet. People's intellectual property gets used without royalties being paid.
Thread: Royalty Loyalty
Audiori J

Replies: 6
Views: 2,179
07-04-2017 16:46 Forum: General Discussion


No. If Word records put your album out (owned the license) and printed a million copies... for every copy sold to resellers (or anywhere else) they (Word) would have to pay royalties. The resellers are just buying the product and reselling for a proffit, the resellers don't pay royalties. Just as if you resell your CD collection on ebay, you don't pay royalties. The reslleers can't print the album themselves unless they pay a license fee to the owner (Word) in which case the artist would get royalties from that.

In the case of DA, almost every album came out on a different label. In some cases Terry/the band owns the album and the publishing, sometiems they own the publishing and in some cases they own nothing. Terry has been working out getting some of the ownership back the last few years.

It gets a little complicated because if someone owns the recorded album... then the band can't rerelease the album as it was releleased before without paying a license. On the other hand if they own the publishing they could rerecord the album and release that. At the same time if a label owns the album but not the publishing, technically they can't put the album out again without paying royalties for the publishing...

This all gets messy as none of this gets enforced very well. At least not without the RIAA or someone getting involved.

But really royalties which are typically like 9 cents per copy are not as big of a deal as it would seem when the volume of product is printed in such low quantities. If 1000 CDs are pressed....were talking like $90. Which is why in our case we don't take a cut and just give the money to the parties involved.
Thread: Royalty Loyalty
Audiori J

Replies: 6
Views: 2,179
07-03-2017 20:27 Forum: General Discussion


Depends on who is selling them and who owns the rights.

When it comes to the Horrendous Disc kickstarter we intend on all the band members to get something even if it's divided up so much after the expenses that they don't get much. We have to pay for all the printing, then the money gets split between the two labels involved, then the Stunt part will get divied up by the band.

We were asked once about some reissue CDs we were selling, if the old band members got royalties.... this is a situation where the label that printed them should pay royalties, the outlets that buy the CDs wholesale from the label can sell them for a proffit (and not need to pay royalties). But even in that case we would put the money the site made back into producing new albums or reissues or whatever. Those reissues get sold on things like the DA tour where the band splits the money as they choose.
Thread: Who are Anna, Eric and Cheyenne?
Audiori J

Replies: 20
Views: 18,028
06-14-2017 14:06 Forum: General Discussion


Yeah this is the DA home, like it or not, we created a lot of pages in various places over the years .. like myspace, myccm, etc mainly as a fishing net cast out to draw people back here. Facebook is similar, although it gets waaaaay more action than those other sites. It has become it's own animal I think. But for product, if the band isn't touring even facebook draws people back here or to Patreon.

It's like one of my favorite scenes in "Man on the Moon" where the comedy club owner lectures Andy Kaufman about how this is 'Show... business" Without the business, there is no show. It's an ugly marriage, but it is a necessity.
Showing posts 1 to 20 of 1,086 results Pages (55): [1] 2 3 next » ... last »

Forum Software: Burning Board 2.3.6, Developed by WoltLab GmbH