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Thread: When Worlds Collide 2?
Audiori J

Replies: 36
Views: 15,486
10-13-2017 17:02 Forum: General Discussion


Yeah the kickstarter thing is truly a blessing. I absolutely HATED the pre-order days. That was true torture for everyone involved, unfortunately there were not many other options at the time.

If you think about it with the HD kickstarter there are 756 backers pledging $52,015... that averages out to about $68 a person. Back in the olden days of preorder, the same amount of people would of generated about $11,340 at $15 a person for a CD. The guys couldn't make a new album with that budget. Not to mention everyone hated preorders, so we'd struggle to get 400 or 500 people to commit. So we'd always have to come up with (and pay for out of pocket) some other releases to supplement. Then you'd get some people who were irritated by the whole affair (and rightfully so) who would discourage other people from preordering or ordering. Even had some people lie and tell people that the money wasn't going to the band. Every dime we ever brought in went to the management and/or band.

The first DA tribute was a nightmare to make in a lot of ways, I don't even like to listen to it much anymore because of some of the situations. We started out wanting to make a double disc set, got enough people to promise to record, but in the end we got about a disc and a third. So we didn't feel right putting out two discs and making people pay for two discs with only that number of tracks. Then you had people truly irritated they got bumped. You had some people switch and record at the last minute songs that other people had already recorded. So they had to be bumped. Had one artist record his own song for it, which seemed out of place since everyone had agreed to record a DA song. Bumped. We had to drive to South Carolina because the guys mastering the album wanted us there while they mastered it, of course the two days we were there they pretty much worked on other stuff. Add that waste to the expenses. Then they had the discs shipped to them in SC the week of Cornerstone, and we needed them for the fest. They shipped them to us and tried to stick us with a $750 shipping bill... when we'd already paid to have them shipped to us when we paid the manufacturing bill.

Thats my rant. But I agree, we do need to get the remaining tracks out there a couple of them are pretty good.
Thread: Royalty Loyalty
Audiori J

Replies: 6
Views: 774
07-06-2017 06:18 Forum: General Discussion


Yeah... but I think it was set up in such a way that for example in the 60s the bands didn't have the money to press a million copies of their album... the labels did. So if the label pays for most of it and pays for advertising and all that, they get most of the money. The royalty thing was to make sure the artist got something.

Now days it's quite different... there still is the above for big name artists... but things like kickstarter and patreon allow the artist to be essentially their own label. Of course typically millions of copies don't get sold and the advertising is not like Pepsi commercials and Rolling Stone.

One other thing.... when a song is played publically to an audience the radio station or whoever should be paying royalties. Which again gets messy because as everyone knows with the internet.. and online radio stations and youtube people put artist's music up to stream and nothing gets paid to the artist at all.

It's why there is a debate about how to police the internet. People's intellectual property gets used without royalties being paid.
Thread: Royalty Loyalty
Audiori J

Replies: 6
Views: 774
07-04-2017 16:46 Forum: General Discussion


No. If Word records put your album out (owned the license) and printed a million copies... for every copy sold to resellers (or anywhere else) they (Word) would have to pay royalties. The resellers are just buying the product and reselling for a proffit, the resellers don't pay royalties. Just as if you resell your CD collection on ebay, you don't pay royalties. The reslleers can't print the album themselves unless they pay a license fee to the owner (Word) in which case the artist would get royalties from that.

In the case of DA, almost every album came out on a different label. In some cases Terry/the band owns the album and the publishing, sometiems they own the publishing and in some cases they own nothing. Terry has been working out getting some of the ownership back the last few years.

It gets a little complicated because if someone owns the recorded album... then the band can't rerelease the album as it was releleased before without paying a license. On the other hand if they own the publishing they could rerecord the album and release that. At the same time if a label owns the album but not the publishing, technically they can't put the album out again without paying royalties for the publishing...

This all gets messy as none of this gets enforced very well. At least not without the RIAA or someone getting involved.

But really royalties which are typically like 9 cents per copy are not as big of a deal as it would seem when the volume of product is printed in such low quantities. If 1000 CDs are pressed....were talking like $90. Which is why in our case we don't take a cut and just give the money to the parties involved.
Thread: Royalty Loyalty
Audiori J

Replies: 6
Views: 774
07-03-2017 20:27 Forum: General Discussion


Depends on who is selling them and who owns the rights.

When it comes to the Horrendous Disc kickstarter we intend on all the band members to get something even if it's divided up so much after the expenses that they don't get much. We have to pay for all the printing, then the money gets split between the two labels involved, then the Stunt part will get divied up by the band.

We were asked once about some reissue CDs we were selling, if the old band members got royalties.... this is a situation where the label that printed them should pay royalties, the outlets that buy the CDs wholesale from the label can sell them for a proffit (and not need to pay royalties). But even in that case we would put the money the site made back into producing new albums or reissues or whatever. Those reissues get sold on things like the DA tour where the band splits the money as they choose.
Thread: Who are Anna, Eric and Cheyenne?
Audiori J

Replies: 20
Views: 14,446
06-14-2017 14:06 Forum: General Discussion


Yeah this is the DA home, like it or not, we created a lot of pages in various places over the years .. like myspace, myccm, etc mainly as a fishing net cast out to draw people back here. Facebook is similar, although it gets waaaaay more action than those other sites. It has become it's own animal I think. But for product, if the band isn't touring even facebook draws people back here or to Patreon.

It's like one of my favorite scenes in "Man on the Moon" where the comedy club owner lectures Andy Kaufman about how this is 'Show... business" Without the business, there is no show. It's an ugly marriage, but it is a necessity.
Thread: DA Old Gal/Guy Survey
Audiori J

Replies: 14
Views: 15,134
06-14-2017 08:09 Forum: General Discussion


What is the most beautiful place or scene on some other planet you saw with your own eyes? When and who were you with?

A. The UFOs on Planet X and none of your business.
Thread: Who are Anna, Eric and Cheyenne?
Audiori J

Replies: 20
Views: 14,446
06-09-2017 15:22 Forum: General Discussion


Yeah I think FB and a MB are sort of two different animals. A messageboard by nature is a discussion board, for good or bad. A facebook page reaches a much broader group of people many of whom just like to check in and get updates. A lot more casual interest there. Especially if you have a good chunk of older fans from the 70s or something.

A lot of this stuff is a dual edged sword, from a strictly business perspective a lot of companies wouldn't even have a messageboard or if they do it is highly moderated. A lot of damage can be done, so a lot of businesses just don't open the door for it. I can see that side of it, especially considering how these bands have struggled financially over the years. DA's main income used to be a split between Cornerstone and the website/mailorder. Cornerstone is gone, all the guys have regular jobs and Terry does his freelance videogame/cartoon work. So any detrimental effects that can occur through the websites, etc is quite damaging to them personally. On the other hand, these bands have a unique connection to the fan base, a very mutually supportive relationship in general. That connection is vital for any kind of future at all. (At least in the realm of band albums, etc.)

Thats why I said Kickstarter and the Patreon thing are so great in today's market for these guys... it's direct mutual support. And those sites themselves allow for limited discussion, which is fine because that can be had elsewhere.

Just think back to the DA dark ages.. when the internet was fairly new...the old Stunt website and the original 77s one were more or less blank white sheets with text on them.. I don't think either had a messageboard at all... Christian radio, magazines and stores (while they existed) didn't really have much DA material. I remember writing to the DA club via snail mail from a small cryptic ad in the back of CCM. Senior Gulotta sent me a photocopied newsletter.. for me to snail mail my order back... after which I would wait about 6 months to get my CDs and buttons. some stuff I ordered back then, I never received... like the Eddies toothpaste and hide the beer mug. There was really no discussion to be had anywhere unless you happened to be lucky enough to actually know someone else who knew who DA was. (I didn't.)

I remember I was at Six Flags once with an Eddies shirt on and a guy across a huge crowd yelled out ''The Eddies!" and I was shocked.
Thread: Who are Anna, Eric and Cheyenne?
Audiori J

Replies: 20
Views: 14,446
06-07-2017 13:57 Forum: General Discussion


Quality over Quantity. Smile
Thread: Themes And Symbols In DA/Eddies Music
Audiori J

Replies: 10
Views: 2,026
05-04-2017 08:10 Forum: General Discussion


I'd have to think it through more, but I always just took it as representing some industry type; record label, producer, manager, etc. that is just after a piece of the pie or more accurately the whole pie. Kind of like dealing with the sharks on shark tank. They have the money to lend you for your project, but if you are not careful they will also take all the money created by your project as well. They will chew you up and spit you out.

I know these bands have experienced some of that over the years. It's a major reason my brother and I got involved in supporting them. We've never taken any percentage of the income from the sales. with the exception of the first year we worked for them and that was about 10% and only because we were told to. And that is more than offset by the things we've paid for out of pocket. I am pretty sure Tom Gulotta has done the same.

Just in the short time we've worked for them, we've seen a few sharks that seem to just have dollar signs in their eyes. Which frankly is crazy if you know anything about the industry these bands are in. Occasionally some seemingly well intentioned people think they can run a business to support themselves by working with some of these bands, but in my opinion all that leads to is the already small pie being divvied up to smaller and smaller portions. And the artists start struggling.

Things like kickstarter and the patreon thing help a ton now, not only because of the transparency but also because it cuts out the middle man and leaves less room for the sharks. It's a much more direct line from the fan to the artist.
Thread: Two Alarma Tour Photos
Audiori J

Replies: 46
Views: 16,629
05-02-2017 12:08 Forum: General Discussion


We saw the Keaggy Stonehill show here in Missouri in a high school auditorium, there was almost no one there. One of the best shows I have ever been to.

Another top show of mine was the Keaggy show at Westport Playhouse. The stage is round and rotates, all the cables hang down from the top of the stage in the middle. It rotates one direction for a while and then stops and goes the other way, back and forth. Keaggy was walking around the edge of the stage at one point doing a blistering solo and his guitar cord reached it's extent and popped out of his guitar. Sudden silence. He dropped to his knees and held up the cord and stared at it as if he was rendered helpless. You had to be there but it was pretty funny.
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 161
Views: 71,594
04-19-2017 00:33 Forum: Upcoming Releases


The first cornerstone was 1984 and there is fan shot video of DA from that year. I have seen video of DA in the HD era but none of it is really all that good unfortunately.
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 161
Views: 71,594
03-30-2017 10:48 Forum: Upcoming Releases


Personally, I don't think it compares to the pet rock, the pet rock was a useless fad. I think there are better sounding audio formats for sure, to me even a CD is better, but I can understand the draw to vinyl. There is a different sound to playing a record and there is a level of nostalgia. The size, artwork and experience of a record is different than a CD, and a CD is different than MP3s.
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 161
Views: 71,594
03-28-2017 16:01 Forum: Upcoming Releases


Kickstarter Help


How can I change my pledge amount?

in Backer Questions / Managing your pledge
To change your pledge amount, visit the project page and click the blue “Manage" button that appears next to your pledge amount and then select "Change your pledge" on the following page.

From here, you’ll be able to adjust your pledge amount or choose a new reward tier you'd like to pledge for and your pledge amount will update automatically. If you don't want to receive a reward, select "No thanks, I just want to help the project." and enter your new pledge amount.

Note that you are not adding to your existing pledge; the amount you enter will be the total amount collected if the project is successfully funded.
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 161
Views: 71,594
03-27-2017 15:53 Forum: Upcoming Releases


I believe the DA button is part of the box stretch goal.
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 161
Views: 71,594
03-23-2017 16:24 Forum: Upcoming Releases


Headed towards stretch goal #2...
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 161
Views: 71,594
03-23-2017 07:54 Forum: Upcoming Releases


I think when they say to put your name in as it appears on the card they mean ... if you are Dick Jones, but on your card it says Richard Jones.... you have to put Richard Jones. All of my cards say JASON R TOWNSEND, but I always just use Jason Townsend, I never even use the middle initial.
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 161
Views: 71,594
03-13-2017 17:50 Forum: Upcoming Releases


Yeah the back does look like a wacky Eddies thing. Although they were doing a pretty wacky eddies like thing at the time in concert with costumes and stuff. Thats the Preachers from Outer space bit. They had also planned an EP at the time of HD that has some comedy bits in it. The Eddies have always been there peeking out from under the surface.
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 161
Views: 71,594
03-11-2017 09:18 Forum: Upcoming Releases


There are also a lot of old fans that are disconnected from the DA community, at Cornerstone we always had people come up and say they didn't know DA was still producing music. I don't know if these people live in caves or what, not sure how to reconnect with them. The old management tried to figure out how to solve that issue, but what magazine do you pay to advertise in? Christian radio...? The internet is the best current way, but even that doesn't seem to do it in every case. I used to wonder about paying for a billboard along one of the nations busiest highways. Even if you had one for a month... maybe?

And all of that is geared toward reconnecting with old fans, how you generate new ones might be entirely different.
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 161
Views: 71,594
03-09-2017 14:12 Forum: Upcoming Releases


If you look at the wikipedia page for the Record Plant it lists one of the founders as Chris Stone, Mike Stone of HD fame is his nephew.
Thread: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe
Audiori J

Replies: 161
Views: 71,594
03-09-2017 06:46 Forum: Upcoming Releases


Ahh ok didn't see that at the top of his bio, I looked in the list of albums at the bottom. I removed DA from his bio.
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