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Posted by Eleanor on 12-30-2004 at21:53:

  RE: Bluff calling time!

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Originally posted by dennis You love ZD that much? Okay tough guys, who wants to trade me their copy of Outdoor Elvis for my copy of Zoom Daddy?

I too have them both

no need to trade

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Posted by dennis on 12-30-2004 at22:01:

 

I just want to see you wussies put your money where your mouth is!

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Posted by PuP on 12-30-2004 at22:09:

 

I love them both.

How many themes would you say are present on OE (the album)?

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Posted by Eleanor on 12-30-2004 at22:13:

 

quote:

Originally posted by dennis I just want to see you wussies put your money where your mouth is!

I would hate to be without either one.

I think they are equal but seperate.... hopefully the new Eddies album will complete the Trinity.

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Posted by dennis on 12-30-2004 at22:15:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Eleanor quote: Originally posted by dennis I just want to see you wussies put your money where your mouth is! I would hate to be without either one. I think they are equal but seperate.... hopefully the new Eddies album will complete the Trinity.

I hope so too!

I really love "Let's Spin" a lot too! It's rockin' & funky!

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Posted by PuP on 12-30-2004 at22:21:

 

Sacred Cows didn't complete the Trinity for ya?!?

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Posted by Eleanor on 12-30-2004 at22:24:

 

quote:

Originally posted by PuP Sacred Cows didn't complete the Trinity for ya?!?

uh....

no.



and LS is good, but not on the same level as OE and ZD.

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Posted by Chris Estey on 12-31-2004 at19:52:

  I'm going to make a presumption

and propose that a lot of the ZD fans here probably got into TST shortly before or around the time that album came out. I think when something's a discovery, we place a huge amount of value on it, mixing up aesthetics with nostalgia and 'awakening.'

Then again, I must confess that ZD didn't do much for me. A previous poster nailed it on the head about the layered quality of TST's work, and how he hasn't taken out ZD much since he first got it. That's my story -- I have the feeling I have strange expectations for TST's work, and he surpasses them with material I'm initially resistant to. I gave a negative review to ZD when it came out but might regret it if I gave it more listens now (highlighting the problem with reviewing, that it's often done without spending enough time with a record -- but if you don't review it quickly, the album might not get enough notice, and you were assigned the review with a deadline for timeliness anyways ...)

All that being said, I think OE could be TST's quintessential work. There is however a compressed quality from so much spontaneous brilliance on one record; it never lets up. I fear the caustic wit and gonads-out rock and roll probably scare people more attracted to the adult alternative of ZD, but again, that's just a guess. OE's intense style is my kind of thing ... though about half of LS I feel is just as terrific.

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Posted by dennis on 12-31-2004 at19:58:

 

That makes sense to me Chris.

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Posted by Eleanor on 12-31-2004 at21:25:

  RE: I'm going to make a presumption

quote:

Originally posted by Chris Estey and propose that a lot of the ZD fans here probably got into TST shortly before or around the time that album came out.

that doesn't work for me since I've been listening since the first DA album.

and I LOVE ZD.

of course I like Kalhoun and John Wayne too, which seen to be hit and miss for some fans.

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Posted by dorfsmith on 12-31-2004 at21:55:

  RE: I'm going to make a presumption

quote:

Originally posted by Eleanor quote: Originally posted by Chris Estey and propose that a lot of the ZD fans here probably got into TST shortly before or around the time that album came out. that doesn't work for me since I've been listening since the first DA album. and I LOVE ZD. of course I like Kalhoun and John Wayne too, which seen to be hit and miss for some fans.

Same here

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Posted by Eis on 12-31-2004 at23:35:

  RE: I'm going to make a presumption

quote:

Originally posted by Eleanor quote: Originally posted by Chris Estey and propose that a lot of the ZD fans here probably got into TST shortly before or around the time that album came out. that doesn't work for me since I've been listening since the first DA album. and I LOVE ZD. of course I like Kalhoun and John Wayne too, which seen to be hit and miss for some fans.

Doesn't work for me either; I came on around the release of MBD.

As to Kalhoun, I haven't given it probably as much as a listen as it deserves, but I like it. John Wayne I LOVE.

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Posted by dorfsmith on 12-31-2004 at23:50:

 

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Posted by PuP on 01-01-2005 at00:29:

 

I'm still trying to figure out what "adult alternative" means. Of course I was a little slow on the whole "sepulchre" thing, too...

OE does have a nostalgia thing for me since it was my first TST experience. ZD has grown on me to attain equal status with OE. Kalhoun rocks, who disagrees with that?

If I had to pick a weakest DA/SE/TST recording, it would be the first DA album.

Chris' critique of album reviews is dead-on. I have frequently been underwhelmed by an album only to have it become a favorite six months later

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Posted by Chris Estey on 01-01-2005 at01:20:

 

Eleanor: "that doesn't work for me since I've been listening since the first DA album. ... and I LOVE ZD. "

Well, no offense, I thought it might be an overgeneralization due to my lack of passion for ZD, which I'm willing to concede.

Eleanor again: "of course I like Kalhoun and John Wayne too, which seen to be hit and miss for some fans."

Indifference to "Kalhoun" always bums me out -- that album is so amazing, but it does have both uniquely subtle (stripped down music, subliminal lyrics) and aggressively topical ("Father Explains") material that might not be what people raised on more CCM-type material care to deal with. I mean, half the record makes occasional rock surrealists like Neil Young seem primitive, so your average Randy Stonehill-when-he's-direct-and-not-arty fan might find it a way oblique.

Completely off topic here, sorry -- this is about "OE"; although it would be an interesting thing to contrast "OE" with "K" considering the political focus on erroneous human icons and apocalyptic nature in the lyrics of both.

PuP: By "adult alternative" I mean music that's more accessible, but still not mainstream -- which ZD seems in comparison to OE, which seems pretty flat out punk or garage rock at times.

My favorite personal OE anecdote is driving back to Seattle from Portland in '93. I'd been living at Mikee Bridges house (Mikee was the leader of Sometime Sunday and Tragedy Ann and started Tomfest here in WA) and was coming home to be near my new girlfriend (now wife). Anyways, the person who drove was Eben, the guitar player in a band called Blenderhead, and he and I sang and shook our heads and air guitared and dashboard drummed all the way through OE on the drive. (That album, and Queen's "Greatest Hits.") I love it when you know every lyric on an album with someone and both of you sing along to it on a long drive ... we seriously agreed that OE could have been as historically important a rock album as anything by Sonic Youth or Pavement or whatever hot avant-rock band was on the cover of all the zines at the time.

Half hour here to go but HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! I am home sick with a cold so that's why this post is so "War & Peace."

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Posted by dorfsmith on 01-01-2005 at01:41:

 

The way I see ZD is maybe 3 adult alternative songs. The Twist, Pyro, one or two more. Then we have wacky stuff that mainstreem listeners will hate (I love) like Nightmare At The Elks Lodge and Art Carney's Dream. It's way less adult alternative (IMHO) than much of Terry's solo stuff.

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Posted by dennis on 01-01-2005 at04:09:

 

quote:

Originally posted by PuP Sacred Cows didn't complete the Trinity for ya?!?

how about swirling mellow?

Heck, I think Farm Beetles counts as an Eddies record!

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Posted by dennis on 01-01-2005 at04:13:

 

quote:

Originally posted by PuP Chris' critique of album reviews is dead-on. I have frequently been underwhelmed by an album only to have it become a favorite six months later

Yup. I didn't care for Motorcylce for years. I love it now!

A lot of folks don't care for Bibleland, for me that record gets more listens than any other in my collection.

I didn't like Darn Floor or get it for about two years. My all time favorite now!

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Posted by dennis on 01-01-2005 at04:15:

 

quote:

Originally posted by dorfsmith we have wacky stuff that mainstreem listeners will hate (I love) like Nightmare At The Elks Lodge and Art Carney's Dream.

Those songs don't do much for me, for good or ill.

I like the lyrics...

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Posted by dennis on 01-01-2005 at04:27:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Chris Estey Eleanor: "that doesn't work for me since I've been listening since the first DA album. ... and I LOVE ZD. " Well, no offense, I thought it might be an overgeneralization due to my lack of passion for ZD, which I'm willing to concede. my momma Elle again: "of course I like Kalhoun and John Wayne too, which seen to be hit and miss for some fans." Indifference to "Kalhoun" always bums me out -- that album is so amazing, but it does have both uniquely subtle (stripped down music, subliminal lyrics) and aggressively topical ("Father Explains") material that might not be what people raised on more CCM-type material care to deal with. I mean, half the record makes occasional rock surrealists like Neil Young seem primitive, so your average Randy Stonehill-when-he's-direct-and-not-arty fan might find it a way oblique.

Kalhoun to me is just a great rock record. To not like this record is not to like rock-n-roll.

Gloryhound could be a great Stones song overplayed on classic rock radio. (Or Neal Young for that matter.)

quote:

Completely off topic here, sorry -- this is about "OE"; although it would be an interesting thing to contrast "OE" with "K" considering the political focus on erroneous human icons and apocalyptic nature in the lyrics of both.

That's a great insight.

quote:

PuP: By "adult alternative" I mean music that's more accessible, but still not mainstream -- which ZD seems in comparison to OE, which seems pretty flat out punk or garage rock at times.

Outdoor Elvis is his "White Album" kinda all over the map and flat out awsome.

quote:

My favorite personal OE anecdote is driving back to Seattle from Portland in '93. I'd been living at Mikee Bridges house (Mikee was the leader of Sometime Sunday and Tragedy Ann and started Tomfest here in WA) and was coming home to be near my new girlfriend (now wife). Anyways, the person who drove was Eben, the guitar player in a band called Blenderhead, and he and I sang and shook our heads and air guitared and dashboard drummed all the way through OE on the drive. (That album, and Queen's "Greatest Hits.") I love it when you know every lyric on an album with someone and both of you sing along to it on a long drive

That's great! To be no much it better than a long trip with a buddy playing a great record you both know like another old friend you took along for the ride.