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Posted by dennis on 07-17-2010 at16:41:
Who did the Stooges's hit?
Posted by iota on 07-19-2010 at13:08:
Jesus and Paul used cusswords, so I'll give Terry a hall pass if he ever does.
Paul counts everything skubala that he might gain Christ.
If you think "skubala" is properly translated "poop," you might be homeschooled.
And if you think "brood of vipers" or "raca" were terms of endearment...well...maybe their aimed at you.
Case in point - don't be holier than Jesus and the rightly placed cussword sometimes drives the point home better than a sanitized facsimile.
Just ask Derek Webb...
Posted by Audiori J on 07-19-2010 at13:48:
Most homeschooled people I know are also the most intelligent, so that slur is inaccurate.
One problem within this discussion is that the word 'cusswords' can be defined in multiple ways.
Cussing or cursing would be defined as; "a prayer or invocation for harm or injury to come upon one."
Swearing would be defined as; "An oath or use profane or obscene language."
Profane (Profanity) would be defined as: ": to treat (something sacred) with abuse, irreverence, or contempt, desecrate or to debase by a wrong, unworthy, or vulgar use." ....possibly using the Lord's name in vain, for example.
Vulgar would be defined as; "offensive in language, lewdly or profanely indecent."
Foul language would be defined as; "Obscene and abusive."
Obscene would be defined as; "disgusting to the senses, repulsive
or abhorrent to morality or virtue; specifically: designed to incite to lust or depravity or containing or being language regarded as taboo in polite usage."
James 3:10 (New International Version) Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be.
That would be praising God and wishing harm to your fellow man.
Colossians 3:8 (New International Version) But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. ~ words of Paul.
In the Greek language, the phrase, “filthy communication” means foul speaking, low and obscene speech. But what is obscenity? It is language regarded as taboo in polite usage.. which changes from culture to culture and time period to time period.
Most people sort of lump all of it together, the Lord's name in vain.. the words you can't say on TV.. cursing someone... and being generally being offensive. So if you say that Jesus cussed, in their minds they think you are saying he was guilty of the whole lot. When actually, nothing Jesus uttered would fall into the spiritually off limits territory. Calling someone a viper is not lewd or wishing them harm.
Posted by pegotico on 07-19-2010 at18:12:
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Originally posted by iota
Jesus and Paul used cusswords, so I'll give Terry a hall pass if he ever does.
Paul counts everything skubala that he might gain Christ.
If you think "skubala" is properly translated "poop," you might be homeschooled.
And if you think "brood of vipers" or "raca" were terms of endearment...well...maybe their aimed at you.
Case in point - don't be holier than Jesus and the rightly placed cussword sometimes drives the point home better than a sanitized facsimile.
Just ask Derek Webb... |
NO, Jesus NEVER used cusswords!! In cases like this it is good to give proof of this!!!
Funny you brought Derek Webb as an example!! A guy that sings in one of his songs referring to homosexuality and I quote him
"When did Christianity become all about being straight?,"
In the end homosexuality is sinful!!
http://blog.beliefnet.com/idolchatter/2009/07/derek-webb-i-can-no-longer-mak.html
Posted by peawinkel on 07-19-2010 at19:51:
TST used the f word in Low Crawls And High Times
feces
Posted by peawinkel on 07-19-2010 at19:54:
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Originally posted by pegotico
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Originally posted by iota
Jesus and Paul used cusswords, so I'll give Terry a hall pass if he ever does.
Paul counts everything skubala that he might gain Christ.
If you think "skubala" is properly translated "poop," you might be homeschooled.
And if you think "brood of vipers" or "raca" were terms of endearment...well...maybe their aimed at you.
Case in point - don't be holier than Jesus and the rightly placed cussword sometimes drives the point home better than a sanitized facsimile.
Just ask Derek Webb... |
NO, Jesus NEVER used cusswords!! In cases like this it is good to give proof of this!!!
Funny you brought Derek Webb as an example!! A guy that sings in one of his songs referring to homosexuality and I quote him
"When did Christianity become all about being straight?,"
In the end homosexuality is sinful!!
http://blog.beliefnet.com/idolchatter/2009/07/derek-webb-i-can-no-longer-mak.html |
Right on, Pegotico (even though you're a mind peach)
I've got no use for Webb, as well as that Down The Line magazine homo-issue.
Posted by Ritchie_az on 07-20-2010 at00:03:
I was home schooled....
Posted by pegotico on 07-20-2010 at06:15:
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Originally posted by peawinkel
Right on, Pegotico (even though you're a mind peach)
I've got no use for Webb, as well as that Down The Line magazine homo-issue. |
Im glad you told me that the more posting I do, the bigger and better brain I get. I cant imagine what ppl with 1 or 2 posts have for a brain
Posted by sondance on 07-20-2010 at08:56:
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Originally posted by Ritchie_az
I was home schooled.... |
sorry, man... try reading some comic books to expand your consciousness
Posted by iota on 07-20-2010 at11:19:
What I meant to say is that Terry Scott Taylor would never use the S word unless he was reading aloud from a list of words he would never say.
Sorry about the home-schooled slur...
But pssst...Jesus did say "raca" matter-of-factly...yes he was saying what you shouldn't say, but he said the naughty word...
also the passage where Jesus talks about what comes out of you defiling you and using food as an example...he uses another term I'll have to look up to see if it's a cuss word...one "unvarnished" translation called it the "S**t-hole"....
Also, I remember hearing that "brood of vipers" was a rude term, kind of comparable to SOB...
And here's a theological quandary for you...when Jesus stubbed his tow or hit his thumb with a hammer...how do you think he reacted? Remember...he was fully human tempted in all ways as we are...
Posted by larryl on 07-20-2010 at11:35:
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Originally posted by pegotico
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Originally posted by iota
Jesus and Paul used cusswords, so I'll give Terry a hall pass if he ever does.
Paul counts everything skubala that he might gain Christ.
If you think "skubala" is properly translated "poop," you might be homeschooled.
And if you think "brood of vipers" or "raca" were terms of endearment...well...maybe their aimed at you.
Case in point - don't be holier than Jesus and the rightly placed cussword sometimes drives the point home better than a sanitized facsimile.
Just ask Derek Webb... |
NO, Jesus NEVER used cusswords!! In cases like this it is good to give proof of this!!!
Funny you brought Derek Webb as an example!! A guy that sings in one of his songs referring to homosexuality and I quote him
"When did Christianity become all about being straight?,"
In the end homosexuality is sinful!!
http://blog.beliefnet.com/idolchatter/2009/07/derek-webb-i-can-no-longer-mak.html |
Webb never said it was right. He was just pointing out the glaring idea that suddenly that's what it's ALL about.
Seems too many christians worry too much about things like that, and not enough about say.... evangelism.
Posted by larryl on 07-20-2010 at11:38:
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Originally posted by pegotico
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Originally posted by iota
Jesus and Paul used cusswords, so I'll give Terry a hall pass if he ever does.
Paul counts everything skubala that he might gain Christ.
If you think "skubala" is properly translated "poop," you might be homeschooled.
And if you think "brood of vipers" or "raca" were terms of endearment...well...maybe their aimed at you.
Case in point - don't be holier than Jesus and the rightly placed cussword sometimes drives the point home better than a sanitized facsimile.
Just ask Derek Webb... |
NO, Jesus NEVER used cusswords!! In cases like this it is good to give proof of this!!!
Funny you brought Derek Webb as an example!! A guy that sings in one of his songs referring to homosexuality and I quote him
"When did Christianity become all about being straight?,"
In the end homosexuality is sinful!!
http://blog.beliefnet.com/idolchatter/2009/07/derek-webb-i-can-no-longer-mak.html |
The article you posted clears that issue up pretty well, don't you think?
Interviewer: Many young Christians especially are comfortable saying, "We've got to stop from harping on homosexuality." But that's different from saying you don't consider homosexuality to be sinful. When you ask in that song, essentially,, "When did Christianity become all about being straight?," do you want to say that homosexuality doesn't alienate you from God?
Webb: That's a big question, and I'm not backing off. But I have not on this record addressed the particular morality of a lot of these issues. That has been so well covered by the church, unfortunately with no other connection--people have heard a lot of the church's theology and not seen a lot of the church's ethics. There's a real disconnect there, and that bothers me. But I don't think it's a conversation that is had well in this medium. This isn't an ideal medium to speak about such a personal and nuanced issue. There's a huge discussion to be had, and I want to have that conversation. I hope to have it a lot on the road with people, but not if it's a roomful of people with a camera on me. Because so much can happen between that intimate moment and the moment where anyone could hear that. What I can say is, I'm not trying to create some kind of a moral loophole for anybody. It's not that anybody is less wrong as much as we're all more wrong. Your question was, Do I think that homosexuality alienates you from God. Thankfully, not anymore than habitual heterosexual sin does.
People can and do disagree about that particular issue. The thing we can agree on is how poorly we are loving the people around us who live or believe differently than we do. Those are the people we are called to engage with and love and care for. Before you even try to love your enemies, how about knowing your enemies? How about knowing the people you consider to be your enemy? Because you might find that they're not really your enemies. You're your enemy, and you are just like your enemies. There is no difference. We all need exactly the same thing. So, that's more where, you know, I hope some of this lands.
Read more:
http://blog.beliefnet.com/idolchatter/2009/07/derek-webb-i-can-no-longer-mak.html#ixzz0uF1mZivQ
Posted by larryl on 07-20-2010 at11:39:
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Originally posted by peawinkel
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Originally posted by pegotico
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Originally posted by iota
Jesus and Paul used cusswords, so I'll give Terry a hall pass if he ever does.
Paul counts everything skubala that he might gain Christ.
If you think "skubala" is properly translated "poop," you might be homeschooled.
And if you think "brood of vipers" or "raca" were terms of endearment...well...maybe their aimed at you.
Case in point - don't be holier than Jesus and the rightly placed cussword sometimes drives the point home better than a sanitized facsimile.
Just ask Derek Webb... |
NO, Jesus NEVER used cusswords!! In cases like this it is good to give proof of this!!!
Funny you brought Derek Webb as an example!! A guy that sings in one of his songs referring to homosexuality and I quote him
"When did Christianity become all about being straight?,"
In the end homosexuality is sinful!!
http://blog.beliefnet.com/idolchatter/2009/07/derek-webb-i-can-no-longer-mak.html |
Right on, Pegotico (even though you're a mind peach)
I've got no use for Webb, as well as that Down The Line magazine homo-issue. |
Attitudes like that are the problem.
Good grief.
Posted by Audiori J on 07-20-2010 at14:06:
The problem is sin, the Gospel message is about turning from sin and turning to Christ. When the wages of sin is death, it can be the most loving thing to tell them to turn from it and turn to Christ who can cleanse it all away. Judgmentalism is condemnation without giving people the answer.
Posted by larryl on 07-20-2010 at15:03:
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Originally posted by Audiori J
The problem is sin, the Gospel message is about turning from sin and turning to Christ. When the wages of sin is death, it can be the most loving thing to tell them to turn from it and turn to Christ who can cleanse it all away. Judgmentalism is condemnation without giving people the answer. |
for a change, i think i totally agree with you here, jason.
i guess i wouldn't have such an issue with it, if the church was more consistent. homosexuality is hardly the only sin rampant in our country, but it's the one of very few that will get the church out in the streets protesting.
Posted by larryl on 07-20-2010 at15:10:
The attitude seems to be, all too often;
"You cheated on your wife with hookers? We'll get you counseling"
"You've been snorting cocaine? We'll get you into our substance abuse program"
"You're shacked up with your girlfriend? We'll pray you guys get married"
"You're gay? Get out of our church, sinner!!"
Posted by joey on 07-20-2010 at15:27:
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Originally posted by larryl
The attitude seems to be, all too often;
"You cheated on your wife with hookers? We'll get you counseling"
"You've been snorting cocaine? We'll get you into our substance abuse program"
"You're shacked up with your girlfriend? We'll pray you guys get married"
"You're gay? Get out of our church, sinner!!" |
true, very true...
however, the attitude of the 3 musicians in the down the line article seemed to be "this is who and how God made me, gay...", not one of repentance...
Posted by larryl on 07-20-2010 at15:31:
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Originally posted by joey
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Originally posted by larryl
The attitude seems to be, all too often;
"You cheated on your wife with hookers? We'll get you counseling"
"You've been snorting cocaine? We'll get you into our substance abuse program"
"You're shacked up with your girlfriend? We'll pray you guys get married"
"You're gay? Get out of our church, sinner!!" |
true, very true...
however, the attitude of the 3 musicians in the down the line article seemed to be "this is who and how God made me, gay...", not one of repentance... |
agreed. how much of that is because of the way the church has treated the issue up to this point, i wonder?
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