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Posted by servantsteve on 05-28-2003 at22:20:

  Is it ethical?

I found this listing on eBay. They are selling a CD-R recording along with an LP of the same title, but the CDR was recorded off of a CD, not the LP. Is this an ethical practice?
I think it is legal, but with discussions here I wonder about its ethicality. Opinions?

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Posted by SMACK-A-SAURUS REX on 05-28-2003 at23:46:

 

i know of a guy who sells ccm online , and he claims that if you own an original recording you have the right to own a copy for personal use. and that it does'nt matter what the copy was made from.(ie..cassette, lp, or cd).

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Posted by Joey T. on 05-29-2003 at00:03:

 

if nobody will so anything to get us a re-issue of the cd, i see nothing wrong with it....
what are you supposed to do? pay 50 bucks on e-bay for an original cd? $#%* that!
if the cd is in print, then that would be a different story..........

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Posted by audiori on 05-29-2003 at00:16:

 

The ethical question and the legal one don't always go
hand in hand. There are a lot of misinformed people
out there when it comes to the legal right you have
at making a backup.

You have the right to make 1 backup for yourself, if
you sell the original you are supposed to destroy the backup. And according to the way it's written, you have a right to make it for yourself, not someone else make it for you.

I am not arguing it's a smart law or that it should be that way or the ethics. But, people are mistaken when they think they have a loophole.

The fact is, the authorities just don't bother going after one guy making one copy. they go after the guy making lots of copies.

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Posted by Joey T. on 05-29-2003 at00:21:

 

quote:

Originally posted by audiori The fact is, the authorities just don't bother going after one guy making one copy. they go after the guy making lots of copies.

which is why danielamos.com can't sell "legal" cd-rs like the choir and undercover do of albums that might cost more to do a true re-issue than it may be worth.....

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Posted by Dr Rich on 05-29-2003 at09:55:

 

quote:

Originally posted by audiori The fact is, the authorities just don't bother going after one guy making one copy. they go after the guy making lots of copies.

It seems like the intent is to go after the guy making and selling lots of copies.

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Posted by Dr Rich on 05-29-2003 at09:56:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Joey T. quote: Originally posted by audiori The fact is, the authorities just don't bother going after one guy making one copy. they go after the guy making lots of copies. which is why danielamos.com can't sell "legal" cd-rs like the choir and undercover do of albums that might cost more to do a true re-issue than it may be worth.....

What the DA store should do is sell mp3s of out of print songs and CDs.

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Posted by JR88 on 05-29-2003 at11:27:

 

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Posted by jiminy on 05-29-2003 at11:57:

 

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Posted by jiminy on 05-29-2003 at11:58:

 

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Posted by JR88 on 05-29-2003 at12:13:

 

<Woooooo Hoooooo!!!!! 500 posts!!!!!!!
Do I get a cake or something?
Or just a swift kick in the ass....

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Posted by Joey T. on 05-29-2003 at12:50:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Dr Rich What the DA store should do is sell mp3s of out of print songs and CDs.

that would be a good idea, dennis....
as soon as the have the rights to all of their own damb music!

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Posted by Dr Rich on 05-29-2003 at13:48:

 

well yeah, that too!

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Posted by Asherman on 05-29-2003 at14:38:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Driver8 <Woooooo Hoooooo!!!!! 500 posts!!!!!!! Do I get a cake or something? Or just a swift kick in the ass....

...Well.


...how 'bout a cookie!

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Posted by JR88 on 05-29-2003 at14:39:

 

With Milk Please

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Posted by audiori on 05-29-2003 at15:16:

 

Yeah the legal CDR thing is good for making short
runs of albums that you do own the rights to.

Generally, that kind of thing is a last resort or
to raise some money for another project. Because
part of whats cool about an album is the look,
the cover, etc. Like Darn Floor, I would hate to do a
reissue without the cool cover.

Think about a Mr Buechners Dream reissue on a coverless
CDR..... wouldn't seem right.

Another thing we try to judge is which reissue we think we
could sell enough to make the money back... it would
be hard to put out the next reissue if you don't make
your money back off the first one.

Things like the fan club discs are good that way,
it would be nice to do them with a cover and jewelcase.
But, we would lose money on them to do that because of
the quantity made. And the whole point is to raise money
to support Terry and new releases and give the fans a
cool bit of otherwise unreleased material.

We probably are going to discuss a better way to do the
packaging for the fan club discs... just because of the
time involved.

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Posted by Joey T. on 05-29-2003 at15:41:

 

of course a re-issue would be best.... but i have been hearing about possible re-issues for as long as this site has existed....
i know money is the issue holding these back.... if i had the money, i would finance a re-issue of DFBB, Outdoor Elvis, Let's Spin, and all the others that are hard to find.... but..... my only "legal" copy of those albums is on cassette, and i am not going to pay 50 bucks for an original on e-bay...... no way..
so, if re-issues can get done, then great, lets do it....
if not, or it may be years, lets at least get some legal cd-rs.......


"will have to do for now........"

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Posted by One Weigh or the Highweigh on 05-29-2003 at17:09:

 

a "real fan" will fork over th 50 bucks on e-bay for the originals....

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Posted by Joey T. on 05-29-2003 at18:53:

 

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