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Posted by mindgasket on 08-07-2019 at15:14:


...kickstarter, Kickstarter, we got ourselves a kickstarter...

Posted by joey on 08-08-2019 at12:19:


my wife just texted me and asked if i spent $45 on kickstarter? i replied "it's for terry, absolutely.." Big Grin

Posted by Ron E on 08-08-2019 at21:16:


"absolutely" I got 30 bucks from my kids for my birthday to put toward it tooSmile

Posted by wayneb on 08-09-2019 at02:01:


I haven't mentioned to my wife just what I spent after upgrading. I will wait for the Visa bill...

Posted by Ron E on 08-22-2019 at21:40:


INteresting read here...


Posted by Jimmy Brown on 08-23-2019 at08:08:


That is an interesting article. Thanks, Ron!

Posted by Jimmy Brown on 09-12-2019 at14:13:


Well, this is the first time I have added an add-on to a Kickstarter, but I just couldn't resist the bonus CD of demos. I'm getting soft in my middle age.

Posted by Audiori J on 09-16-2019 at15:16:


Originally posted by Ron E
INteresting read here...


When Eric and I volunteered to put some CDs out for Janet Heard, then work with DA, Uncle Stonehill, 77s, and Lost Dogs this was largely the mindset. Some of these artists have been ripped off their entire careers in one fashion or another. Early on they may have had some mutually beneficial relationships with labels, but that was largely due to the market exploding and supporting it through the 70s and 80s. But the market seemed to take some big hits in the mid-80s. Labels pretty much either dropped bands or the bands stopped getting compensated to any degree suitable for continuing. Some artists left the business and got 'regular jobs.' Some continued to tour and put out albums on their own, although quite stripped down. Going from touring with a band and producing music videos to touring solo and having a website for promotion and distribution.

These artists really can't afford working with any kind of label or entity that takes a cut. Anyone who thinks so is majorly deluded. Not to mention at this point there's really nothing that a small indie-label can offer to an indie artist that they can't do themselves. To survive they have to make a few changes beyond dropping the unnecessary middle-man, a couple of which are alluded to in this article. Things like Kickstarter, Patreon and (unfortunately for a while) preorders allow the artist to use the internet to interact directly with the fanbase financially. And secondly it reduces much of the dangers with releasing something in the internet file sharing age by getting much of the funds up front. Because lets face it you can't and nobody will put $20,000+ into an album, print the CDs, start selling them only to have the songs distributed by people on the web killing any more sales.

I would say that from a financial standpoint Patreon is probably better for supporting the artist themselves. Kickstarter is great for producing a large project like a box set or album, but technically you raise what is necessary to produce the album and then ship out the copies people pledged for from the funds. Then you pretty much have nothing left, you generate profit from selling the copies you printed beyond the copies already claimed by the pledgers. And that can be difficult if you have a limited following who have already bought the album through the campaign. Thats actually the way it's supposed to work, which is great for getting it done, but not too great for financial support of the artist. And of course people upload these releases to the web and sales dry up.

These methods have downsides but they are probably the best we've got at this point since the general market has pretty much died.

Posted by Ron E on 09-16-2019 at18:46:


Are there still a few... likely very few in the Christian market... that can make a go of it the "old way"? Newsboys, of TobyMac for instance... obviously Taylor Swift or someone like that can have a huge team surrounding them and still make money.

Posted by WoaaahJelly! on 09-17-2019 at02:38:


It's the Internet. It is turning everything upside-down, disrupting everything.

I have played with this idea before, but obviously I am a fan and not in the business. Could artists make money with the "Ceaseless Touring" model? Live music has a value the very best recordings cannot match (but don't forget the merch table!). All of our musician friends are getting older but that's not really a problem. This would be a lifestyle of travel, low-stress live gigs, and more travel. This is something possibly well-suited to an older person. Note though that most people do not get enough exercise so this plan would include time for walking every day (this may be the very best exercise). Note that all of this folds together into an integrated lifestyle and not a job.

Of course of course I am speaking of things I know and guessing about what I don't know. Thus I could use some real-world feedback on this idea. For one- I tried traveling in an RV once (just once) and I really hated it. Travel can be stressful.

Posted by Jimmy Brown on 09-17-2019 at08:23:


I think ceaseless travel would be really hard for an older person both physically and emotionally. It's pretty hard on younger people for that matter. You don't get much rest, and you don't get to see your loved ones.

Posted by Audiori J on 09-17-2019 at14:08:


I think to answer some of the questions; You saw Daniel Amos, the Choir, Adam Again and the 77's tour much less and the Lost Dogs appear and do the touring. You consolidated at least in part the fan bases of all these bands and they could perform largely without a band. You also saw artists like Stonehill, Keaggy, Larry Norman, and Mike Roe tour with bands less frequently. They can show up with a guitar and put on an amazing show without needing a bus full of people and equipment. Keaggy and Stonehill have followed the ceaseless touring model for a while. So I think this has been happening for many smaller following artists since the mid-eighties. Terry even did some solo touring for a few years. And both (Keaggy and Stonehill) are turning to patron as well.

There are mainstream teen CCM pop (safe) young bands that tour because they have the backing of the labels still. 'I think' the labels are much more picky about which bands they feel they can market than they used to be. Younger and pop, hip-hop or praise, etc generally. CCM Radio and Youth Group friendly or hip enough to book on late night talk shows and tour large concert halls, etc.

This is all entirely my opinion looking at what I know and have experienced.

I also believe the Cornerstone Festival was mismanaged the last few years or so and I think it had a lot to do with misinterpreting the way the market was changing. I know some will disagree with me on this but I really don't care. The fact is the festival died, which is not the outcome of a successfully managed enterprise.

Posted by WoaaahJelly! on 09-17-2019 at15:47:


Originally posted by Jimmy Brown
I think ceaseless travel would be really hard for an older person both physically and emotionally. It's pretty hard on younger people for that matter. You don't get much rest, and you don't get to see your loved ones.

Indeed. Reality intrudes once again on my Pie In The Sky. A problem to be solved.

Posted by WoaaahJelly! on 09-17-2019 at15:48:


I suppose what I want to see is my favorite artists happy, healthy, and well-paid for their efforts. It's possible Patreon has enabled this already.

Posted by Audiori J on 09-18-2019 at12:30:


Originally posted by WoaaahJelly!
I suppose what I want to see is my favorite artists happy, healthy, and well-paid for their efforts. It's possible Patreon has enabled this already.

Yeah I think it's the best we've got And we can hope that there aren't any little gossips spreading rumors that the patreon money doesn't reach the artist like we had here concerning the band's site.

The only difference between the two (this site and patreon) is that we paid manufacturing and shipping bills before sending the rest of the income to Terry, etc. and Patreon just goes to Terry without any manufacturing or shipping bills.

Kickstarter as I said before is a different story, you get the money to record, manufacture and ship the product. And then you sell the remaining product and pay shipping and then the remainder goes to Terry, etc. The expenses for Vinyl manufacturing and shipping are very high.

If Terry had an indie label then he'd have to split the remainder, which would be just asinine at this point.

The new Terry solo Kickstarter is being handled by his son Andrew, with help from Tom Gulotta. Not sure how the shipments of product will occur, it costs a small fortune to ship vinyl around. So I don't know if Andrew will ship all the orders out or if they plan on having everything shipped to us and then send us the money to ship it out. I'm pretty much out of the process now, Eric may know.

Posted by joey on 09-19-2019 at11:40:

Thumb Up!


Posted by WoaaahJelly! on 10-30-2019 at05:10:


Dave Raven clip on YouTube

Dave Raven Lays It Down

Tom Gulotta's YouTube page:


Posted by Ron E on 11-19-2019 at21:32:


Phil Keaggy?! Cool.

Have Terry and Phill recorded together before? Likely back on Wonderama or Randy related?

Posted by Jimmy Brown on 01-11-2020 at07:46:


I was interested to see the video of Terry recording vocals for the new album. It looked like there's not a lot of prep required for the physical space to do that. I suppose it would be different for something like drums, which would require acoustical traps and such. Confused

Posted by WoaaahJelly! on 01-11-2020 at13:58:


Have you taken a look at Tom Gelononionio's YouTube channel?

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