Daniel Amos Message Board | Print: DA ~ Dig Here Said The Angel (2013)

Posted by pegotico on 09-11-2013 at12:13:

I have one big complaint about DIG here,
I see no one has mention this but in the end
I don't like the digipack use for dig here. The reason for this
is how easily the cd can get scratches. MBD isn't that bad
because the cd is store in a hard plastic just like
a jewel box, but in this case the cd is just in one
carton compartment which I feel will scratch the
cd after multiples in and outs. I have one question
if the cd was done with retroactives? as they used
a different digipack on the Daniel bands last reissues
which also has a hard plastic and it is in between the
mbd and dig here digipacks. Ill upload a photo later
when I get home. What I did was store the cd in a plastic
case.

Posted by Audiori J on 09-11-2013 at13:42:

I still prefer jewel cases myself, Digipacks never fit into any of my CD cases or cabinets. Plus the covers get worn. But I guess if I was worried about scratching the disk.. I would keep it in something else or make a copy of it and play the copy.

Posted by DwDunphy on 09-11-2013 at17:27:

You can buy paper sleeves from Staples, cut off the corners (makes the sliding easier) and use that like an inner bag for the Digipak. The plain truth is that most CD duplication/manufacturers have moved away from packaging with plastic components of any kind. This is just how the industry is right now.

Posted by audiori on 09-11-2013 at18:41:

I have grown to really like digipaks for two reasons.

1) Artwork... I feel like there's a lot more that can be done with a digipak. You can really use every bit of space.

2) Shipping. I hate jewel cases that crack and fall apart in the mail. Digipaks are less expensive to ship and very rarely break. That's huge.

They are more difficult to store as a CD buyer though... I'm always worried they're going to get crushed or something.

Posted by brother joel on 09-11-2013 at19:58:

I have a love hate with digipaks. I agree that the artwork is much more impressive, though it really bugs me when artists do not include the lyrics because it requires another pocket. I am glad they don't crack much. . . I just got a stack of cds in for the church that I work for and 4 of them were cracked. They were shipped with some books so my guess is they did not pack enough filler in the box to protect them. On the other hand, I have a Vespers CD in a digipak and it recently got all bent up on the front cover as I was transporting it to work. I have since decided to make sure that all releases in digipak that I may like to listen to at work should be on my ipod.

Posted by Audiori J on 09-11-2013 at21:44:

Yeah there are trade-offs. Good and bad in both.

Posted by Eis on 09-13-2013 at22:16:

Any ETA on vinyl? I'm waiting to purchase the double-LP until y'all have it in hand (just a prioritizing of purchases, and I know that vinyl manufacturing takes a long time these days).

Posted by wakachiwaka on 09-13-2013 at23:22:

quote:

Originally posted by Eis
Any ETA on vinyl? I'm waiting to purchase the double-LP until y'all have it in hand (just a prioritizing of purchases, and I know that vinyl manufacturing takes a long time these days).

Yeah - I got my copy of the CD today, and I'm thinking I may just grab me a vinyl copy too, just to better appreciate the artwork! Cool

Posted by audiori on 09-14-2013 at00:02:

Sounds like it will likely be in November. Vinyl manufacturing takes forever! What a drag. We should have test pressings soon so we can at least report what it sounds like.

I want you guys to know that we went all out for this vinyl edition... It's going to be beautiful. Might be the nicest vinyl set I've seen in a long time once it's done. And wait till you see what we did with the colored vinyl!

Posted by DwDunphy on 09-14-2013 at13:31:

One thing that confuses me a little -- the album is short enough that I believe it can spread across a single LP.l Yet the description says it is a 2-LP set. Without giving away any big secrets, how is this album being broken across 4 sides?

Posted by wakachiwaka on 09-14-2013 at14:36:

quote:

Originally posted by DwDunphy
One thing that confuses me a little -- the album is short enough that I believe it can spread across a single LP.l Yet the description says it is a 2-LP set. Without giving away any big secrets, how is this album being broken across 4 sides?

The album is 55 minutes long. With vinyl, generally speaking, it's difficult to go past the 45 minute mark without making sacrifices in sonic quality. (Or, to quote Metallica, we can do it but it would sound like s**t!)

Posted by audiori on 09-14-2013 at14:39:

Exactly.

Posted by pegotico on 09-15-2013 at16:38:

quote:

Originally posted by audiori
I have grown to really like digipaks for two reasons.

1) Artwork... I feel like there's a lot more that can be done with a digipak. You can really use every bit of space.

2) Shipping. I hate jewel cases that crack and fall apart in the mail. Digipaks are less expensive to ship and very rarely break. That's huge.

They are more difficult to store as a CD buyer though... I'm always worried they're going to get crushed or something.

I think the only thing I like about a digipak is that to some extent it resembles
a mini vinyl which I think is a good thing. I would have prefer the one used
for Daniel band.

Shipping; well if its well protected it shouldn't break but the thing is
you can easily replace the jewel case and everything is OK. But my
DHSTA is marked and a bent corner because of the plastic wrap. You cannot
repair that Crying

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Another good thing I can point is that it fits on my case logic contrary to "old angel" and "burning like the midnight fire" which I have to store in a big case where I store boxsets.

@DwDunphy , funny that the paper sleeve fits perfectly on 'old angel" , but
for DHSTA I left the cd outside.

Posted by Eis on 09-17-2013 at19:49:

Thanks for the info on the vinyl. Sounds like a potential Christmas present...

Posted by memo on 09-19-2013 at21:06:

I can't speak for the band's decision on the cd wallet design used here, but having worked with other musicians / bands, I can tell you that digipaks are much more beloved for a few big reasons:

1) Aesthetically, they make the album much more of an art object (the way records were back in the day) compared to the "one size fits all" mentality of jewel cases, which are ugly, clunky, and brittle. You just can't compare the two from that point of view.

2) Environmentally, they a lot less wasteful. Just look at all that plastic you're not manufacturing and shipping all over the place.

3) Economically, they cost less to make. If you're an indie band paying for your manufacturing, you have to balance packaging with cost. Every time I've worked with a band on an album design, we always dream big at the start and then have to scale down when we do the math. The "cd wallet" design on Dig Here is a popular choice because it offers inside artwork and a booklet without any extra plastic and bulk. So you pay less per unit, get some nice real estate to design a nice package around, and can fit a ton of copies into a box, which cuts down on shipping charges.

It's true that the cd runs more of a risk of getting scratched, but if you're careful, you should be okay. It's a compromise, but unless you're a big time rock star, money is always a consideration!

Posted by sondance on 09-19-2013 at21:20:

posted a reply and it got lost in the mother of all modems... happens again I'm canceling my subscription to the internet.

Paul Simon used a digipak for So Beautiful, same as DA's.
Speaking of Dig Here... is it too much to hope this will be getting some significant airplay aka national attention someplace soon?

Is there anything we can do to help that happen?

Posted by audiori on 09-19-2013 at21:36:

We are sending CDs to media outlets and radio right now. You can always suggest radio stations and/or contact them and request a song from Dig Here.

We're going to be pushing it as hard as we can. So far, the media reviews have been great.

Posted by pegotico on 09-19-2013 at22:30:

quote:

Originally posted by memo

2) Environmentally, they a lot less wasteful. Just look at all that plastic you're not manufacturing and shipping all over the place.

It's true that the cd runs more of a risk of getting scratched, but if you're careful, you should be okay. It's a compromise, but unless you're a big time rock star, money is always a consideration!

when there's a will, there's a way

This are eco-friendly digipaks made out of egg carton and sugar cane
and seem to protect the cd better than just plain carton. When
you invest on the cd my thought is that is should be protected
even if the digipak should contain plastic imho. There needs to
be a balance between good looking , and protection. "but if im careful",
yes my cd is out of the digipak and it might stay out. Crying

http://www.newcyberian.com/eco-friendly-digipak.html

Posted by Ron E on 09-20-2013 at09:42:

quote:

Originally posted by audiori
We are sending CDs to media outlets and radio right now. You can always suggest radio stations and/or contact them and request a song from Dig Here.

We're going to be pushing it as hard as we can. So far, the media reviews have been great.

Is there a particular song we should push? I assume one song should create buzz over and above, the album as a whole? Is there a strategy? I know nothing about marketing a cd. Did you ever hear back from the radio station I sent info on? Is it available to listen to online besides at Spotify? Even a preview?