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Posted by Mountain Fan on 11-20-2007 at13:56:

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Originally posted by joey
^larry n? Shocked

well, the birthday doesn't match the profile?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0635550/bio

Biography for
Larry Norman

Date of Birth
1947, Corpus Christi, Texas, USA

Spouse
Sarah Norman (? - ?) (divorced) 1 child
Pamela Norman (? - 1980) (divorced)

Trivia

He played the same classical Spanish guitar from 1972 until 2001 when it was damaged in an airline baggage handling mishap.

For almost thirty years the press has referred to him as "the father of Christian rock." In the 70s Billboard Magazine called him "the most important writer since Paul Simon." Christian Artists Seminar awarded him their Lifetime Achievement Award. Contemporary Christian Music (CCM) Magazine named Norman's "Only Visiting This Planet" record the most significant and influential gospel album ever released in the field of contemporary Christian music. Time Magazine once called him "the most significant artist in his field."

He was inducted into the Gospel Music Hall of Fame in 2001. His son, Michael, flew to Nashville to accept the honor and deliver a speech to the attendees.

Where Are They Now

(October 2003) Currently resides with his son in Salem, Oregon

Posted by navfox on 11-20-2007 at16:53:

Was he really from Corpus Christi Texas? I didnt know that...

Posted by Mark on 11-20-2007 at22:27:

I knew that.

Cool

Posted by Curly on 11-21-2007 at06:37:

OK, just gave HD a full listen.
It sounded better on a stereo and was able to make out the words better than on a PC set of speakers.
Since I have just listened to the music for the first time since the album came out, you guys have a little bit of a jump on me. HD was good and given some time to listen to it more, I will probably appreciate it more. Probably not as good as Shotgun, but let me get used to it.
I would probably freak out if it was announced that there were extra takes of Shotgun laying around, so I can sence your urgency to this disk.
I don't have a clue of what is to be in HD and what isn't........but the album itself is good.

OK, that aside....maybe lighten up on Larry a little bit. Right now, he is lucky to be alive. Maybe God has kept him on this world a little bit longer to tick you guys off on the release of the HD stuff. I don't know.
He has serious health issues that I won't discuss here, but what would help him out is if everybody prayed for him.
So that he would get some strength back and heal his legs.
Possibly through prayer, everybody might get what they want.

Wouldn't that be cool.

Posted by joey on 11-21-2007 at08:59:

Frown

prayers for larry.............
but i'm still not buying his new version of hd.... Wink

Posted by Lur King on 11-21-2007 at09:11:

Question

Did someone just say that there were extra takes of Shotgun laying around?

Posted by Mountain Fan on 11-21-2007 at09:42:

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Originally posted by joey
prayers for larry.............
but i'm still not buying his new version of hd.... Wink

sure

i didn't realize until i read his bio that he was in a plane crash some ago and got dain bramage Frown

Posted by Curly on 11-21-2007 at09:51:

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Originally posted by joey
prayers for larry.............
but i'm still not buying his new version of hd.... Wink

That's cool.
There are things that I wouldn't buy from Larry's site, just because.
But I'll be the first one to lay down a prayer for the guy.

Some time back Larry had the whole center console of a plane fall down on his head. Messed him up for years to where he couldn't remember his songs or even lyrics to the songs if he performed them.
So during that time(a 10 year span approx.) not much happened with him or Solid Rock. I wonder if the time span was around HD and the accident.

Posted by Mountain Fan on 11-21-2007 at09:59:

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Originally posted by Curly

quote:

Originally posted by joey
prayers for larry.............
but i'm still not buying his new version of hd.... Wink

this seems more complete and balanced?!

http://www.artistopia.com/larry-norman/biography

Larry David Norman (born April 8, 1947 in Corpus Christi, Texas) is an American singer-songwriter considered the forefather of Contemporary Christian Music. He is well known for his hard rock anthems alongside his delicate and haunting folk rock ballads. Norman is well respected for his creative songwriting. One critic lionized him in 1970 as the "Rebel Poet, Jukebox Balladeer" (Ed Plowman, Hollywood Free Paper).

Norman's music has been covered by a variety of artists including Petula Clark, Sammy Davis, Jr.
Norman was inducted as a rock singer-songwriter into the Gospel Music Hall of Fame alongside Elvis Presley in 2001.

History
At age nine, Norman began writing his songs and performing them in public. For almost thirty years the press has referred to him as “the father of Christian rock” because he was one of the first who first combined rock and roll with Christian lyrics. During the 1960s, he was banned in most Bible bookstores
His recording ministry started in 1966 when the group he was a part of, People!, was offered a contract by Capitol Records and they found themselves on the same label as The Beatles and The Beach Boys. People! opened for secular groups like The Grateful Dead
In 1969 Larry recorded his Capitol album, Upon This Rock, which introduced the songs “I Wish We’d All Been Ready,” and “Sweet Song of Salvation.” These songs became anthems for the burgeoning Jesus Movement. He also recorded the albums Only Visiting This Planet and So Long Ago The Garden for MGM/Verve Records. In the years that followed he headlined at The Hollywood Bowl, The Sydney Opera House, and London's Royal Albert Hall, which he sold out six times. His songs have been recorded by more that 350 other artists, translated into more than a dozen languages. He has also performed in Russia, China, India, Japan, Italy, South Africa, Israel, Poland, Prague, Australia, Norway, Sweden, France, England, and Belfast.

In 1972, Norman made his first screen appearance in Son of Blob (the campy sequel to the film, The Blob (also known as Beware! The Blob!) acting alongside Larry Hagman, Burgess Meredith, Robert Walker, Jr., Carole Lynley, stand–up comics Shelley Berman, Godfrey Cambridge and other established actors.

In 1975 he started his own label, Solid Rock Records, and recorded In Another Land and other style-breaking albums for his stable of Solid Rock artists. In Another Land was censored by Word Records
Despite the censorship difficulties he was experiencing with his own albums, he was hitting home runs with other artists’ albums. He had found Randy Stonehill in obscurity, worked for several years to get him off of drugs, produced Welcome to Paradise, and took Randy with him all across Europe and America, which firmly established Randy’s recognition by 1977.
He also discovered Steve Camp
In 1978 Norman was in an airplane accident which caused partial brain damage
By 1981 Norman and his father had started Phydeaux Records as an anti-bootlegging measure to compete with, and erode the sales of, illegal concert recordings such as Live at the Mac and pirated copies of studio tapes from albums like Rough Mix2. His vinyl albums currently sell among collectors for up to $400.

In 1990 Norman performed seven times at Moscow's 35,000 seat Olympic Stadium. The following summer he recorded Stranded in Babylon in Norway. It was voted "Album of the Year" by different European gospel magazines
Norman was inducted into the Gospel Music Hall of Fame in 2001. When he was inducted into the Gospel Music Hall of Fame his son, Michael, flew to Nashville to accept the honor and deliver a speech to the attendees.

In 2003 Norman held a "final concert" in his adopted hometown of Salem, Oregon; he has performed similar concerts in 2005 and 2006. In the summer of 2006 his group People! held a reunion concert. In the spring of 2007 he went on tour in Norway, Switzerland, Germany, and England.

A documentary on his life and his relationship with the Solid Rock artists is forthcoming.

Influence
Many artists have been influenced by Norman's music, including Frank Black of the Pixies. His album Frank Black & the Catholics features a cover song of Norman's Six-Sixty-Six. Black also covered Norman songs during solo concerts in 2005 and 2006. In the song Levitate Me, Black also parroted Norman's California/Texas accent with "Come on pilgrim, you know he loves you" – a phrase that Norman had inserted on the end of his 1978 blues song ''Watch What You're Doing. Black was one of the "special guests" at the June 2005 Elsinore Theater concert in Salem, joining Norman on the song, Watch What You're Doing. [1]

Other artists such as Dc Talk count themselves as fans of Norman's. ''Guns N' Roses'' keyboard player Dizzy Reed performed on Norman's Copper Wires album. While Norman was recording at George Martin's AIR Studios in 1974, Paul McCartney was quoted in an interview as saying that Norman could have been one of the most significant artist of the 1970s, if he didn't only restrict himself to spiritual themes
In the 1990s, animators for the popular television series, The Simpsons created a limited edition comic book featuring Norman as a Simpsons character
Characteristics of Norman's Music
The majority of Norman's music that was produced during his most creative years (1966 - 1978, from his People! albums up through solo works like Something New Under the Son) re
His songs addressed topics touching on politics (The Great American Novel), the eventual emptiness of free love (Pardon Me), the passive commercialism of war–time journalists (''I Am The Six O'Clock News), witchcraft and the occult (Forget Your Hexagram) and alienation (Lonely by Myself), religious hypocrisy (Right Here In America) and many other topics unadressed by most American songwriters.

Quality of Production
Other than Streel Level and Bootleg, which were intentionally raw and dirty productions, the rest of Norman's music was of a significantly higher production quality than that of most other music of the singer–songwriter genre. Larry was able to get significant figures in secular music involved in the production process, most notably George Martin and Andy Johns.

Perhaps the most controversial involvement in Norman's career occurred over Daniel Amos's Horrendous Disc LP. The album, which was recorded in 1978, had been dropped by Maranatha! Music after the label decided to quit releasing rock and roll albums and focus on children's releases and gospel music. So the band, now without a record contract, began to shop the project around to various labels. After considering a number of offers including the Warner Brothers' label Curb Records, Amos settled on Norman's Solid Rock Records in late 1978. Norman had the album mixed and took photos of the band for the album's cover, though most of the tracks were recorded back in 1978 with Mike "Clay" Stone (Queen, Frank Zappa) as producer. For reasons that re
Norman re-released Horrendous Disc on CD in 2000. The re-release stirred controversy among Daniel Amos fans by the inclusion of two bonus tracks: Tribute recordings to Daniel Amos that Larry recorded at the end of the Horrendous Disc CD. There was supposed to be eight minutes of silence after the album was finished, and then the surprise bonus tracks. But the pressing plant thought the eight minute lapse was an error and moved the two tribute recordings to follow immediately after the Daniel Amos album.

Larry was furious when he received a copy of the 1,000 units of the CD which had already been sent out and distributed. And it also angered Daniel Amos' hard core fans. The covers sung by Norman were of his favorite Daniel Amos song – "Hound of Heaven." One recording was a straight-ahead tribute version of the song and the second tribute recording was a version using a very laid–back jazz band. Norman was also accused by the DA fans of being too defensive in his liner notes. Daniel Amos had approached Larry about putting together a "Deluxe Edition" of "Horrendous Disc" in 2006 with the original Horrendous Disc on the first disc and many bonus tracks on the second disc. That deal fell apart suddenly when Larry first agreed verbally to to the deal, and then announced plans for his own CDR reissue with a computer printed cover.

Posted by voxrob on 11-21-2007 at13:26:

"And it also angered Daniel Amos' hard core fans" ... "Norman was also accused by the DA fans of being too defensive in his liner notes"

These fans sound like a bunch of whining knuckleheads. I guess we just complain alot. On the other hand, there is so much about this that is simply odd. For those who have it -- look at what it says why they have no other photos than the cover shots. They would be better off saying nothing.

Although, there is a difference between complaint and evaluation. If a reissue of a work comes out, it will be compared to it's predecessors. What has first struck me is that the sound seems compressed. A couple of tracks sound basically the same, but there are differences that I'm still not sure about in others.

Posted by Audiori J on 11-21-2007 at15:53:

Larry says it was 1978 United Airlines Flight 215, and that someone named N.F. Reeder was the person in charge with assisting Larry. Problem is other people on the plane tell a different story.

Posted by sondance on 11-21-2007 at20:07:

the horrendous disc ussion... ?

I had partial brain damage once - rectified the situation by opting for complete brain damage - don't like them little brain cells up there arguing about who is damaged and who isn't while I'm trying to get some work done - my numbers kept coming out sideways - 'nough of that, equal treatment for all under the fall, that's what I say.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Posted by Mountain Fan on 11-21-2007 at21:12:

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Originally posted by Audiori J
Larry says it was 1978 United Airlines Flight 215, and that someone named N.F. Reeder was the person in charge with assisting Larry. Problem is other people on the plane tell a different story.

Well, I guess you just have to take his art for what it is and what you get out of it. I haven't heard all that much LN, but the few albums I borrowed I didn't like all that good. Sounds like his problems are greater and more far reaching than I previously knew or suspected. Oh well. Frown

Posted by Commander Cote on 11-22-2007 at07:57:

I seen Larry live in St. Paul, MN. in 1979 with his band and he seemed to be in pretty good shape then?? I can honestly say it was a very good concert, but I can also honestly say it wasn't my all-time favorite. That occurred the next year, and it was.....Yep you guessed it "The Amos & Randy" show at Bethel College. They even did "Cinema Girl" which at the time thought "What a great song, I can't wait until the next album (that's what we called them way back kids) but alas
I didn't realize I would have to wait 27 years to hear it again......

Posted by Audiori J on 11-22-2007 at11:13:

Yeah suprisingly Larry didn't use it, but we will.

Posted by Frank Funk on 11-23-2007 at23:48:

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So what is the story the other people on the plane tell?

Posted by Audiori J on 11-24-2007 at06:16:

I will let them tell that story. Wink

Posted by Frank Funk on 11-24-2007 at12:05:

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Originally posted by Audiori J
I will let them tell that story. Wink

Are they going to tell it...do you know some of them...are they members of this group? You shouldn't open the can and the not spill the beans!

Posted by Ron E on 11-24-2007 at18:04:

yeah, at least give us a name, I tried to google stuff and nothing came up Smile

at least not in the first several pages

Posted by Audiori J on 11-25-2007 at00:56:

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Originally posted by Frank Funk

quote:

Originally posted by Audiori J
I will let them tell that story. Wink

Are they going to tell it...do you know some of them...are they members of this group? You shouldn't open the can and the not spill the beans!

That can was opened long ago. I am not going to speak for those people, I am just stating that there has been a controversy of such because there have been alternate takes on the event. Thats pretty much the same thing Larry said in his interview with VOG quite a few years ago. So I am not saying anything that he himself has not said in the press.

If you really want to think about something, think about this... who has something to gain.. the people that disagree with the events as told by Larry or Larry telling the events as he says they happened?