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Posted by larryl on 05-28-2009 at16:06:

 

What good does it do him for them to sit there at some label who is holding them hostage for an amount of money that he is likely to NEVER recover?

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Posted by larryl on 05-28-2009 at16:07:

 

quote:

Originally posted by audiori How about we approach this from the other direction? Let's say you made an album owned by another company. Its unavailable. What do you do?

bootleg it, without any guilt whatsoever.

seems we both know an artist who will burn CD-Rs of everything he's ever recorded, don't we now?

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Posted by audiori on 05-28-2009 at16:12:

 

But it is all coming back. Its not like flipping a switch, but it is possible. In the last couple of years, we've seen...

- Imaginarium Deluxe *Reissue
- Daniel Amos 30th Anniversary Edition *Reissue
- Darn Floor Big Bite Deluxe *Reissue
- Random Acts and Hodgepodge *Reissue
- All Day Sing and Dinner on the Ground *Reissue
- Miracle Faith Telethon *Reissue
- The Revelation
- The Midget, the Speck and the Molecule
- Instruction Through Film DVD

Thats a lot of releases in a very short time. How many artists can have that many titles released in the same time period?

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Posted by audiori on 05-28-2009 at16:14:

 

quote:

Originally posted by larryl quote: Originally posted by audiori How about we approach this from the other direction? Let's say you made an album owned by another company. Its unavailable. What do you do? bootleg it, without any guilt whatsoever. seems we both know an artist who will burn CD-Rs of everything he's ever recorded, don't we now?

The 77s don't have the same legal issues, now do they? When companies like BAI closed down.. the 77s got verbal control of their releases from the current owners. What about DA? Gene sold them to KMG.

Apples and Oranges.

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Posted by larryl on 05-28-2009 at16:16:

 

quote:

Originally posted by audiori But it is all coming back. Its not like flipping a switch, but it is possible. In the last couple of years, we've seen... - Imaginarium Deluxe *Reissue - Daniel Amos 30th Anniversary Edition *Reissue - Darn Floor Big Bite Deluxe *Reissue - Random Acts and Hodgepodge *Reissue - All Day Sing and Dinner on the Ground *Reissue - Miracle Faith Telethon *Reissue - The Revelation - The Midget, the Speck and the Molecule - Instruction Through Film DVD Thats a lot of releases in a very short time. How many artists can have that many titles released in the same time period?

how many can? quite a few.

better would be, there's no need to, because it's been available the whole time.

how many of those titles are available right now, if i want to get them from the webstore?

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Posted by audiori on 05-28-2009 at16:17:

 

All of them.

(with the exception of DA30th, which is coming back)

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Posted by larryl on 05-28-2009 at16:18:

 

looks like you're doing CD-on-demand type things for a lot of them.......

downloads along side that would get more orders in...... if i see i have to wait for it to ship, i'm more likely to just order something else....

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Posted by larryl on 05-28-2009 at16:20:

 

like i said.....

if this is how the band wants to do this, then fine......

i just think it's a flawed model, and there are much better ways to go about it.

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Posted by Ritchie_az on 05-28-2009 at16:57:

 

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I believe Arena Rock made their money back on Darn Floor pretty quickly for example. We paid our portion of it from the small number of pre sales we took before it was even released.

Any idea on how well DFBB has done? Has it sold more copies than it did originally?

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Posted by Jimmy Brown on 05-29-2009 at07:37:

 

I don't think digital downloads are pure profit. Servers and bandwidth aren't paid for simply by the creative imperative.

That said, I wouldn't buy digital downloads if the music were available in some other way. Physical products are much more convenient than having to massage, manage, and migrate computer files. And downloads generally sound pretty bad. There are lossless formats, but the files are gigantic.

I also support having these albums remastered, if it's done well. DFBB was an album I rarely listened to, even though I've had my cassette since it was released. But the reissued version amazed me and I enjoy listening to it and appreciate the music so much more now.

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Posted by audiori on 05-29-2009 at09:11:

 

I'm not sure what total sales of Darn Floor have been. Its been selling fairly well for us.

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Posted by MarkyMark77 on 05-29-2009 at10:45:

 

quote:

I believe Arena Rock made their money back on Darn Floor pretty quickly for example.

This bodes well for possibly more reissues from Arena Rock, perhaps?

I certainly hope so!

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Posted by audiori on 05-29-2009 at11:14:

 

There is a chance that they will be doing at least one more. Nothing to be announced yet, because they could easily still say they don't want it.

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Posted by Mountain Fan on 05-29-2009 at15:27:

 

since this thread has more action i will repeat it here:

anybody have any idea how many pre-ordered DA30th Anniversary Edition and got the 3rd disc?

will the 3rd disc be made available again in any format?

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Posted by joey on 05-29-2009 at16:13:

quote:

Originally posted by Mountain Fan since this thread has more action i will repeat it here: anybody have any idea how many pre-ordered DA30th Anniversary Edition and got the 3rd disc? will the 3rd disc be made available again in any format?

i got it......that's all that matters.......

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Posted by MarkyMark77 on 05-29-2009 at16:54:

 

quote:

There is a chance that they will be doing at least one more.

I think we all know what their next reissue should be:

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Posted by Mountain Fan on 05-30-2009 at09:06:

 

I think it's funny that some people get upset at what they call "opportunistic" or "price gouging" or whatever when out-of-print or limited-edition items can sell for big $.

The solution is not to print limited things or to make them available via download.

Or don't complain about it when people charge a lot and someone in the market is willing to pay it. When buyer and seller agree to the transaction it is ultimately fair.

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Posted by wayneb on 05-30-2009 at16:24:

 

I have to agree with you there, MF...

I paid $90US for my cd copy of "Fearful Symmetry" a number of years ago when I was single and could afford to buy from Radrockers!

Well worth it, as my cassette copy was nearly extinct. Here in NZ that is about the only way we can get this sort of thing now. There was an Australian company that stocked a lot of new and s/h stuff but they are now concentrating on metal/thrash type music, not much of which I enjoy.

I will, however, keep supporting the DA store, as at least money gets to Terry and co from what I buy. Even if I am still waiting for some of my order from 15 months ago! (US postal "service")

I'm saving up for the DFBB deluxe edition.

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Posted by DrDanAmos on 05-30-2009 at16:35:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Mountain Fan I think it's funny that some people get upset at what they call "opportunistic" or "price gouging" or whatever when out-of-print or limited-edition items can sell for big $. The solution is not to print limited things or to make them available via download. Or don't complain about it when people charge a lot and someone in the market is willing to pay it. When buyer and seller agree to the transaction it is ultimately fair.

I find it funny that you're still going on about it. If you want to sell your copy, nobody here is stopping you. Sell it for whatever you feel it is worth for you to part with.

I just listed reasons why I don't think it would necessarily necessitate me spending hundreds of dollars to buy your copy in consideration of the reasons I listed.

Do what you think is right, man. Go for it.

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Posted by audiori on 05-30-2009 at16:46:

 

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Originally posted by wayneb Even if I am still waiting for some ....

Are you kidding me? I know you're not, but.. geez. Send me a PM with what you're still waiting on. We'll try again.


On selling/buying stuff through ebay or whatever... I don't think anyone has a problem with someone doing it if they want to. I just really hate to see fans spend that kind of money on stuff that will be available again. I can remember hearing from people that bought the first album on Ebay right before it was rereleased. I felt bad for them, but what are you gonna do? It was just bad timing.

I also do not see the point in jacking prices up on something regular. If its a really rare one of a kind piece or something.. fine. But if its a regular album it shouldn't be $200. When it is rereleased, everything there will still be there. I mean its their right to do it, and its fine if someone will pay it.. but I just don't think the sellers should do that to people.